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AG2012 wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2023 7:40 am There are no Russian marks here.
Possibly Greek or Armenian within Ottoman Empire (Tughra mark was optional, so Van region cannot be excluded), turn of 19th century. Well done niello work. Tobacco case.
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There are no Russian marks here.
Possibly Greek or Armenian within Ottoman Empire (Tughra mark was optional, so Van region cannot be excluded), turn of 19th century. Well done niello work. Tobacco case.
Regards

Hi,
Soviet Armenia prior to 1958 (based on Armenian letters here).
Armenian Silversmiths were known for nielo in Ottoman Empire (Van region).
Many were expelled after the Turkish genocide and moved to Armenia.
Regards

Hi,
ԼԺԿ ( ЛЖК in Russian ) is well known mark of Yerevan maker,not identified as far as I know.Possibly predecessor or makers incorporated to ... of this cigarette case to Ottoman examples).
Your box,as well as many niello and cloisonne items were made shortly after the revolution or in the ...

It reads وان which transliterates as van

فان transliterates as fan.

Damon

Hi,
This is the mark used by Armenian silversmiths in Van province, seen on niello.
Town`s name VAN is in Arabic used in Ottoman Empire before the reform.
Fineness .900 is incorporated within town`s name (90 in Arabic).
Regards

Only the traces of niello have remained.It depicts the coat of arms of Ottoman Empire. Sultans had tughra and coat of arms in western heraldic sense was created in the late 19th century.
You can search for more examples of ``van niello cigarette cases``
Armenian masters signed in Arabic.Most of them ...

Hi,
Welcome to the forum.
The mark in the middle stands for ``VAN``, town in eastern Turkey (Kurdistan).In Ottoman Empire. The silver was made mostly by ... post the image of the whole item, please ? Most of cigarette cases in niello were made in Van either very late 19th century or early 20th century ...

... They used Arabic letters in Ottoman Empire.Many of them moved to Yerevan after the genocide and continued to work.
Compare cigarette case bellow with Ottoman postage stamp and Dad`s example with Soviet postage stamp.
http://925-1000.com/forum/search.php?keywords=van+niello

There is a book ...

Niello cigarette case is very similar to decor popular with Armenian silversmiths in Ottoman Empire (Van region).
Some of them were lucky to escape genocide and settled in Yerevan.

Hello
Its Ottoman Turkish made in Van in eastern anatolia
The top mark of the two marks in the last photo is rubbed but probably says 'Van' in the arabic script.
Van seems to have been specialised in nielloed silver like this
I would expect it to be late 19th or early 20th century
The other mark below ...

Hi,
Does not look very sophisticated. Poor craftsmanship. Much, much better niello was made in Ottoman Empire by Armenian masters in Van province, and elsewhere (Persia,India, North Africa, Balkans) and let alone in Russia.
IMO, avoid this beaker.
Regards

... shop , the writer did some searches and bring very nice examples of niello ,,, only I dont know yet how to post photos hier ,,,
I am working on the list of Armenian crafman mostly silversmiths and goldsmiths in Van, there were more than100 armenian workshops in the city before 1915,
sinds Armenian ...

... 925-1000.com/td/f/General/Armenian-book.jpg

Armenian Master Silversmiths – 2005 - Osep Tokat

This complete volume focuses on the hidden world of Van City of Eastern Turkey and gifted Armenian silversmiths who populated the Ottoman Empire. Most of their work was centered in the region of Van ...

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replay is littel late

Intniales are Armenian,
(J,P) niello from Western Armenian city Van, could be Hovsep Or (Jovsep in Western armenian dialect)
Hovsep Pochovian was one of armenian silversiths in Van, there were more than 100..
Հովսեփ Պոչովյան he left Van to Rostov after genocide and later to ...

hi I new,
I was searching for niello work from armenian silversmiths and I have foud this forum,
the cup has armenian inisiales , T.A. ( could be inisiales the one who made it) there was Tigran Avagian silversmith in Van, could be his work
Van is one of Western Armenian cites, unther the ottoman empire ...

Very interesting. I ought to have recognized as I do have another item with the Van castle as motive.
I have tried to capture the hallmark.


Its difficult, but thanks for the identification of location.

Hi,
I am glad MG has solved the mystery. Niello master silversmiths in Van were Armenians.
Based on the postage stamp depicted here it was made in late 19th or early 20th century.
Regards

Hello
The top stamped mark consists of the arabic letters for VAN which is a city in the far east of Turkey and many nielloed items originated from there. Ottoman Turkey used the arabic Alphabet
I can't read the bottom mark.
Thank you

... is indeed made by an Armenian artisan working in Turkey around the lake Van area in S.E.Anatolia.This area is the Armenian area of Turkey and many ... this has been a help
I have an extremely unusual piece of early silver niello work; a bracelet of early date which I will open this to the forum ...