Tongs maker "FP"--Fake Person?

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Maker mark one side. Deception marks (?) other side. Outside embellishment/reserve. Where to go with this?

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Sort of square reserve left at bow.

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Now this gets more interesting. The ladles (unspecified size) turned up in Scotland. Both the tongs (6" bow to bowl ends) and ladles are essentially the same work. This is spoon making taken a bit beyond. The tongs amount to a double-ended spoon bent over. The ladles do not appear to have joined bowls, but formed from the blanks? So what silverplater works only in spoon forms and not forks and knives?
The main set of five marks seems quite uniform in both cases and presumably from a single stamp process. I'll guess that "FP" is responsible for the decorative work found only on the tongs (maybe prior to plating) and that even this may have been stamp work based upon original hand engravings (numerous irregularities and run overs etc.). The maker sure seems to be concerned with replicating a true-look Birmingham anchor to place between the "B" & "P" (Birmingham Plate, Britannia Plate, British Plate?). And what of this battle axe (?)...trying to link it with the olde English gothic "F"? [Forbes used it on plate, Federal on sterling]
So where and what are the other items that have this mark?
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General search for axe and anchor marks leads back to our ladles only.
Not found on sterlingflatwarefashions.
Not referenced here either: https://sha.org/assets/documents/Tradem ... leware.pdf

Seems to be very obscure and not noted in old research sources.
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Battle axe device (#44) originally associated (1824-) with old Sheffield plate firm of Joseph Rodgers & Sons, Birmingham: https://www.925-1000.com/silverplate__OSP7.html

Probably lifted for here, but that's two attempts to link to Birmingham, and BP was used to denote the once used term "British Plate" in this era. All that remains unclear is the "F".
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Oops, is the chart in error? Everyone places Joseph Rodgers and Norfolk Street in Sheffield, not Birmingham!
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Indeed it is. I'll ask Tom to correct it when the next overhaul is carried out.

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Now..the battle axe together with the ancient Rodgers marks (called "additional" when on sterling) and something like a "B"...yes, another spoon: viewtopic.php?f=26&t=47775&p=143118&hil ... rs#p143118
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Here we go again...Halberd = Axe. "B" turns up again. Photos lost, but some marks noted: viewtopic.php?f=18&t=42389&p=119743&hil ... rs#p119743
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More conjecture...if these are not fake marks (as in "F"), but an unknown side of the output from Joseph Rodgers and Sons, we do have a possible candidate for "FP"...one Frederick Parkin long in service (row 2): viewtopic.php?f=38&t=8565&p=83556&hilit ... ers#p83556
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Now, a different version of our small gothic "P" as used by Joseph Rogers & Sons: viewtopic.php?f=18&t=24027&p=57807&hili ... ers#p57807

Coincidences keep growing. Must have been a pretty good copycat if there not real.
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May have just figured this out. Our "FP" is not that at all. It could be a conjoined mark of the "E" and "P" that Joseph Rogers & Sons used here for Electro-Plate: viewtopic.php?f=18&t=23233&p=56066&hili ... ers#p56066

The "E" may have been damaged, wearing it down to look like an "F", but the letters are extremely close in form. If this is the case, then the unknown marks would have to have come from Rodgers...perhaps a bit of trade in outlying regions? Off the books?
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A legal mess and the second mention of a Dixon item carrying an old Rodgers related mark: viewtopic.php?f=18&t=18972&hilit=j.+rodgers
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And a final one to throw in the game...baseball stiches engravings and at least one mark that might be "borrowed" from the John Rodgers bullpen: viewtopic.php?f=18&t=16735&hilit=j.+rodgers
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