Oporto Town Mark (Portugal)
Oporto Portugal
Oporto Portugal
Single Image Makers Mark
Oporto Town Mark (Portugal)
Oporto Town Mark (Portugal)
Re: Oporto Portugal
The only clue I could find is, that the makers mark has a pair of crossed objects on the bottom half of the entire symbol, and those crossed objects appear (to me) as crab legs. This might refer to St. Francis Xavier who was a famous Portuguese missionary who became a saint, and his symbol was that of the Crab, and I have seen crabs and crucifix symbols together in a few art pieces from Portugal :::
Re: Oporto Portugal
More P with Crown marks:
Three marks total, two P with Crown marks, and one makers mark.
Three marks total, two P with Crown marks, and one makers mark.
Re: Porto Portugal
The book I need to obtain:
Marcas de Contrastes e ourives Portugueses
2 Vols
Published by Imprensa Nacional - Casa da Moeda 1996.
The language I need to learn:
Portuguese.
Marcas de Contrastes e ourives Portugueses
2 Vols
Published by Imprensa Nacional - Casa da Moeda 1996.
The language I need to learn:
Portuguese.
Re: Oporto Portugal
Hola Agueuest, yo tengo los libros de Manuel Gonçalves Vidal que menciona. En Portugal las letras como su "P" son anteriores a 1887 y están recogidas en el I tomo, bien pues he revisado todo el tomo y no he encontrado la marca del platero. Normalmente las marcas de estos años están compuestas por las siglas de los nombres de los plateros y no hay nada parecido a su marca.
Yo diría que esa "P" es mas parecida a la que usan en Amiens (1779) o Angers (1729) Francia. No soy especialista en marcas francesas antiguas, yo le diría que consulte en el apartado de Francia a ver si hay suerte.
Un saludo
Google translate
Hello Agueuest, I have the books of Manuel Gonçalves Vidal that mentions. In Portugal the letters as their "P" are previous to 1887 and are collected in the I tome, well as I have reviewed all the volume and I have not found the mark of the silversmith. Usually the marks of these years are composed by the initials of the names of the silversmiths and there is nothing similar to his mark.
I would say that "P" is more similar to that used in Amiens (1779) or Angers (1729) France. I am not a specialist in old French brands, I would tell you to check the section of France to see if there is luck.
a greeting
Yo diría que esa "P" es mas parecida a la que usan en Amiens (1779) o Angers (1729) Francia. No soy especialista en marcas francesas antiguas, yo le diría que consulte en el apartado de Francia a ver si hay suerte.
Un saludo
Google translate
Hello Agueuest, I have the books of Manuel Gonçalves Vidal that mentions. In Portugal the letters as their "P" are previous to 1887 and are collected in the I tome, well as I have reviewed all the volume and I have not found the mark of the silversmith. Usually the marks of these years are composed by the initials of the names of the silversmiths and there is nothing similar to his mark.
I would say that "P" is more similar to that used in Amiens (1779) or Angers (1729) France. I am not a specialist in old French brands, I would tell you to check the section of France to see if there is luck.
a greeting
Re: Oporto Portugal
The silver tested somewhere between 750 and 800, which Tardy's book says is the minimum standard for silver using the "CROWN OVER P" hallmark for that time (16th Century) in Portugal.
I was not able to find a single example of this "Crown Over P" hallmark anywhere, except a crude drawing in Tardy's book, so there is not much help.
But yes, now I must research France ancient regime 18th century.
I was not able to find a single example of this "Crown Over P" hallmark anywhere, except a crude drawing in Tardy's book, so there is not much help.
But yes, now I must research France ancient regime 18th century.
Re: Oporto Portugal
Mire también el disco de Fouache, la "P" de Dijon, es muy parecida a la suya.
Saludos
Look also the disc of Fouache, the "P" of Dijon, is very similar to yours.
regards
Saludos
Look also the disc of Fouache, the "P" of Dijon, is very similar to yours.
regards