Can you help me identifying these marks?

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Can you help me identifying these marks?

Postby Maxpoppy2000 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:39 am

https://i.imgur.com/Qip55x9.jpg

Here is the image of the clutch of a bracelet that my grandmother received as a present from the very hands of Nicola II Romanov in 1917.
I would like to know if the bracelet that contains more than 30 diamonds, was probably made in st. Petersburg admin edit, I will. Post more photos of the whole jewel as soon as I succeed. Thanks
Mario Fino from Italy
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Re: Can you help me identifying these marks?

Postby dognose » Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:45 am

Hi,

Welcome to the Forum.

Please embed your images as very few members will click on such links.

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Re: Can you help me identifying these marks?

Postby Maxpoppy2000 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:48 am

Here are the complete pictures of the jewel

The faberge museum of baden baden told me that this bracelet was made to celebrate the 300 years of the Romanov di nasty, you think it's a single piece or were made several of it?

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https://i.imgur.com/8mDIt7D.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/69orahg.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/vxopsww.jpg

Thanks for help me

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Re: Can you help me identifying these marks?

Postby dognose » Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:53 am

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Re: Can you help me identifying these marks?

Postby oel » Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:00 am

Hi, welcome to the forum, please read our forum rules and embedded your images.

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Your image shows a Russian so called four-element hallmark used 1908-1926 including the weight,core image, fineness, and assay office letter. This mark illustrates a weight numeral of 7 zolotniks ( 1 zolotnik = 4.266 grams) or 29.862 grams, followed by the national core image of the woman's head wearing a kokoshnik facing right, a two digit zolotnik standard of fineness 56 or 14K=58.33% pure gold, and a Greek letter that indicates the regional assay office, α Alpha for Saint Petersburg.


Peter.

Source: World Hallmarks Volume I Europe 19th to 21st Centuries

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Re: Can you help me identifying these marks?

Postby Maxpoppy2000 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:41 am

Thanks Peter, no trace of the maker? There's a little mark outside the 4mark,it's only scratches?

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Re: Can you help me identifying these marks?

Postby oel » Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:55 am

Your welcome, I do not recognize a proper Russian maker's mark.
Found this;
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Nicholas II gold award medal ND (1894-1915), by A. Vasyutinsky and Klenov, given for service to the government, Bust of Nicholas II left/FOR ZEAL within wreath, Diakov-1138.1 (R3), 52 mm, 72.33 gm,
https://coins.ha.com/itm/russia/nichola ... ion-120115


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Re: Can you help me identifying these marks?

Postby AG2012 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:00 am

Hi,
Looks like Greek letter Alpha for St Petersburg (strange to be tilted, but we have seen that).
Seven zolotniki of pure gold calculated to 14 K. One zolotnik is 4,26 gram pure gold.
29g of 24k gold plus 20.74g of alloy mix.

The bracelet should be approximately 50 g. of 14k gold.
(The jetton is not 22 K but also 14 K).
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Re: Can you help me identifying these marks?

Postby AG2012 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:02 am

Maker`s mark is lost, possibly due to friction.

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Re: Can you help me identifying these marks?

Postby Maxpoppy2000 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:24 am

oel wrote:Your welcome, I do not recognize a proper Russian maker's mark.
Found this;
Russia
Nicholas II gold award medal ND (1894-1915), by A. Vasyutinsky and Klenov, given for service to the government, Bust of Nicholas II left/FOR ZEAL within wreath, Diakov-1138.1 (R3), 52 mm, 72.33 gm,
https://coins.ha.com/itm/russia/nichola ... ion-120115


Peter

Wow it's that! I mean the medal, then was made a bracelet of it, did you see the picture of the entire jewel? Thanks a lot for thisPeter, you're great

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Re: Can you help me identifying these marks?

Postby Maxpoppy2000 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:26 am

AG2012 wrote:Hi,
Looks like Greek letter Alpha for St Petersburg (strange to be tilted, but we have seen that).
Seven zolotniki of pure gold calculated to 14 K. One zolotnik is 4,26 gram pure gold.
29g of 24k gold plus 20.74g of alloy mix.

The bracelet should be approximately 50 g. of 14k gold.
(The jetton is not 22 K but also 14 K).
Regards

The entire jewel weighs 60 great, including the diamonds obviously

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Re: Can you help me identifying these marks?

Postby AG2012 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:56 am

Just one more remark.This medal was awarded with a suspension loop (ring) which was removed when the medal was transformed into a jetton and incorporated within a bracelet.
Imperial medals were not awarded in the form of a bracelet.

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Re: Can you help me identifying these marks?

Postby Maxpoppy2000 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:14 pm

AG2012 wrote:Just one more remark.This medal was awarded with a suspension loop (ring) which was removed when the medal was transformed into a jetton and incorporated within a bracelet.
Imperial medals were not awarded in the form of a bracelet.

This probably because the bracelet has been a present to a woman, my grandmother, instead the medal I guess was awarded to a man. So they transformed the medal into a bracelet expressly to be given to a woman, my grandmother visited the court of Nicola II in 1917, she was a lyric singer and sang for the zar


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