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Can you help me identifying these marks?
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:39 am
by Maxpoppy2000
https://i.imgur.com/Qip55x9.jpg
Here is the image of the clutch of a bracelet that my grandmother received as a present from the very hands of Nicola II Romanov in 1917.
I would like to know if the bracelet that contains more than 30 diamonds, was probably made in st. Petersburg
admin edit, I will. Post more photos of the whole jewel as soon as I succeed. Thanks
Mario Fino from Italy
Re: Can you help me identifying these marks?
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:45 am
by dognose
Hi,
Welcome to the Forum.
Please embed your images as very few members will click on such links.
Trev.
Re: Can you help me identifying these marks?
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:48 am
by Maxpoppy2000
Here are the complete pictures of the jewel
The faberge museum of baden baden told me that this bracelet was made to celebrate the 300 years of the Romanov di nasty, you think it's a single piece or were made several of it?
(admin edit - see Posting Requirements )
https://i.imgur.com/8mDIt7D.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/69orahg.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/vxopsww.jpg
Thanks for help me
Re: Can you help me identifying these marks?
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:53 am
by dognose
Re: Can you help me identifying these marks?
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:00 am
by oel
Hi, welcome to the forum, please read our forum rules and embedded your images.
Your image shows a Russian so called four-element hallmark used 1908-1926 including the weight,core image, fineness, and assay office letter. This mark illustrates a weight numeral of 7 zolotniks ( 1 zolotnik = 4.266 grams) or 29.862 grams, followed by the national core image of the woman's head wearing a kokoshnik facing right, a two digit zolotnik standard of fineness 56 or 14K=58.33% pure gold, and a Greek letter that indicates the regional assay office,
α Alpha for Saint Petersburg.
Peter.
Source: World Hallmarks Volume I Europe 19th to 21st Centuries
Re: Can you help me identifying these marks?
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:41 am
by Maxpoppy2000
Thanks Peter, no trace of the maker? There's a little mark outside the 4mark,it's only scratches?
Re: Can you help me identifying these marks?
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:55 am
by oel
Your welcome, I do not recognize a proper Russian maker's mark.
Found this;
Russia
Nicholas II gold award medal ND (1894-1915), by A. Vasyutinsky and Klenov, given for service to the government, Bust of Nicholas II left/FOR ZEAL within wreath, Diakov-1138.1 (R3), 52 mm, 72.33 gm,
https://coins.ha.com/itm/russia/nichola ... ion-120115
Peter
Re: Can you help me identifying these marks?
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:00 am
by AG2012
Hi,
Looks like Greek letter Alpha for St Petersburg (strange to be tilted, but we have seen that).
Seven zolotniki of pure gold calculated to 14 K. One zolotnik is 4,26 gram pure gold.
29g of 24k gold plus 20.74g of alloy mix.
The bracelet should be approximately 50 g. of 14k gold.
(The jetton is not 22 K but also 14 K).
Regards
Re: Can you help me identifying these marks?
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:02 am
by AG2012
Maker`s mark is lost, possibly due to friction.
Re: Can you help me identifying these marks?
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:24 am
by Maxpoppy2000
oel wrote:Your welcome, I do not recognize a proper Russian maker's mark.
Found this;
Russia
Nicholas II gold award medal ND (1894-1915), by A. Vasyutinsky and Klenov, given for service to the government, Bust of Nicholas II left/FOR ZEAL within wreath, Diakov-1138.1 (R3), 52 mm, 72.33 gm,
https://coins.ha.com/itm/russia/nichola ... ion-120115
Peter
Wow it's that! I mean the medal, then was made a bracelet of it, did you see the picture of the entire jewel? Thanks a lot for thisPeter, you're great
Re: Can you help me identifying these marks?
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:26 am
by Maxpoppy2000
AG2012 wrote:Hi,
Looks like Greek letter Alpha for St Petersburg (strange to be tilted, but we have seen that).
Seven zolotniki of pure gold calculated to 14 K. One zolotnik is 4,26 gram pure gold.
29g of 24k gold plus 20.74g of alloy mix.
The bracelet should be approximately 50 g. of 14k gold.
(The jetton is not 22 K but also 14 K).
Regards
The entire jewel weighs 60 great, including the diamonds obviously
Re: Can you help me identifying these marks?
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:56 am
by AG2012
Just one more remark.This medal was awarded with a suspension loop (ring) which was removed when the medal was transformed into a jetton and incorporated within a bracelet.
Imperial medals were not awarded in the form of a bracelet.
Re: Can you help me identifying these marks?
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:14 pm
by Maxpoppy2000
AG2012 wrote:Just one more remark.This medal was awarded with a suspension loop (ring) which was removed when the medal was transformed into a jetton and incorporated within a bracelet.
Imperial medals were not awarded in the form of a bracelet.
This probably because the bracelet has been a present to a woman, my grandmother, instead the medal I guess was awarded to a man. So they transformed the medal into a bracelet expressly to be given to a woman, my grandmother visited the court of Nicola II in 1917, she was a lyric singer and sang for the zar