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New info on silverplate marks.

Postby 2209patrick » Sat May 15, 2010 8:07 pm

Hi everyone.

I have been doing a lot of research on pewter marks lately.
In my travels I have come accross information on some silverplate marks we were unsure of in the past.
This information is not conclusive, but just more clues that hopefully point us in the right direction.

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Postby dognose » Mon May 31, 2010 7:41 am

I've seen this one attributed to Harrison Fisher in the past, it is in fact Henry Fielding & Sons.

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Fielding's works were at Snape Street, Birmingham, they also had a London showroom at 5, Hatton Garden. They were established in 1830.

Henry Fielding made his fortune in the silverware trade, in 1853 he had a fine mansion built for himself called 'Marchmount' at Wylde Green, Sutton Coldfield. Although demolished in the 1950's, the name is still remembered in Marchmount Road.

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Postby 2209patrick » Mon Jun 21, 2010 2:54 pm

Not long ago someone was looking for a close plate mark that had an R in the center with rectangles on each side.
As I remember, we could not read the name in the rectangles.
Could not find the post, so I'm posting some information here just in case someone remembers the thread.

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Re: New info on silverplate marks.

Postby dognose » Fri Jul 09, 2010 3:03 pm

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The business of E. Allport was noted as located at Cannon Street, Birmingham in 1812.

Edward Allport, likely to be the same person, is noted as a Coach Harness Plater of Great Charles Street, Birmingham in Wrightson's New Triennial Directory of Birmingham in 1818.

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Re: New info on silverplate marks.

Postby dognose » Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:23 pm

Here's a potential banana skin

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S. Bright & Co. - Sheffield - 1863

The top image is taken from George Mappin's 'Electroplated Nickel Silver Makers' Marks', the bottom image is from an advertisement for S. Bright & Co. of Sheffield that appeared in 1863.

Either George Mappin has made an error, or the Trade Mark has changed hands or maybe Atkinson Brothers took over Brights or vise versa.

The one thing we know for sure is that S. Bright & Co. were using the Trade Mark in 1863.

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Re: New info on silverplate marks.

Postby dognose » Wed Aug 04, 2010 2:23 pm

This is the full registered trademark for Robert Pringle & Sons of London:

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The 'WW' that can just be made out at the juction of the axes, stands for the 'Wilderness Works'.


And this the mark of White, Henderson & Co., Elcho Works, 16, Burgess Street, Sheffield:

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Sometimes mis-attributed to William Hutton.

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Re: New info on silverplate marks.

Postby dognose » Sun Sep 12, 2010 9:32 am

Confirmation of Henry Fielding's mark

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Henry Fielding & Son - Birmingham - 1880

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Re: New info on silverplate marks.

Postby dognose » Thu Sep 23, 2010 4:42 pm

A 1866 advertisement that see's Henry Fielding breaking into the American market.

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Henry Fielding & Son- Birmingham - 1866

In case you have a problem reading it, it states:

Plated and nickel silver spoons and forks - Henry Fielding and Son beg to call the attention of buyers of spoons, forks, fish carvers, ladles, knife rests, nut crackers, grape scissors etc., to their extensive assortment of patterns. An illustrated price list forwarded on application. Their nickel silver is of superior quality, warranted of the same colour throughout and of no change with cleaning. Snape Street Works, Birmingham. Goods packed and shipped to New York, Boston etc.

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Re: New info on silverplate marks.

Postby dognose » Sat Oct 02, 2010 2:01 pm

I'm not aware of coming across this maker before. Harrison Henry & Co. (late Harrison & Hancock), Atwell Works, Pond Hill, Sheffield.

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Harrison Henry & Co. - Sheffield - 1875

Silversmiths and manufacturers of all descriptions of electro plated wares on Nickel and Britannia metal.

Noted as:
Harrison & Hancock, Atwell Works - 1870
Harrison Henry & Co., Atwell Works - 1875 and 1880
W C Hancock (late Harrison & Hancock), 32, Upper Street, St Philips Road, Sheffield - 1875 (Manufacturers of electro plated and Britannia metal wares)

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Re: New info on silverplate marks.

Postby 2209patrick » Sun Aug 21, 2011 6:03 pm

I may have found a clue to one of our long, unidentified silverplate marks.

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I have seen a pieces with this set of marks with a Eton Silver lable also.
Eton Silver Company, Glendale New York is listed as a manufacturer and importer.
Active from the 1960's to, at least, the mid 1970's.

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Notice the symbol on the left of these marks used by Meneses Orfebres of Madrid Spain.
It's very similar to the middle mark on our unidentified set of marks.
Their website says they were exporting to America as early as the late 19th century.

Any comments welcome.

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Re: New info on silverplate marks.

Postby silverly » Sun Aug 21, 2011 8:59 pm

Nice work Pat. I had no idea where to begin on this one. Here's what the USPTO has on one of the more current forms of the company I guess:

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Word Mark MENESES
Goods and Services (CANCELLED) IC 008. US 023 028 044. G & S: eating utensils, namely, forks, knives and spoons, made of stainless steel and sterling silver
Mark Drawing Code (3) DESIGN PLUS WORDS, LETTERS, AND/OR NUMBERS
Design Search Code 24.17.25 - Biohazard symbol; Degree sign (°); Equal sign (=); Greater than symbol > (mathematical); Handicapped symbol; Hazardous materials symbol; Less than symbol < (mathematical); Pound sign (#)
26.09.02 - Plain single line squares; Squares, plain single line
Serial Number 75215683
Filing Date December 19, 1996
Current Filing Basis 44E
Original Filing Basis 44E
Published for Opposition June 17, 1997
Registration Number 2095362
Registration Date September 9, 1997
Owner (REGISTRANT) MESA DISTINCION, S.L. CORPORATION SPAIN Las Mercedes, 23 48930 LAS ARENAS-GUECHO (Bizkaia) SPAIN
Assignment Recorded ASSIGNMENT RECORDED
Attorney of Record KAUSHAL R ODEDRA
Description of Mark The lining shown in the drawing is a feature of the mark and not intended to indicate color.
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Affidavit Text SECT 15. SECT 8 (6-YR).
Live/Dead Indicator DEAD
Cancellation Date June 13, 2008

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Re: New info on silverplate marks.

Postby 2209patrick » Sun Aug 21, 2011 9:22 pm

Thanks for the info Silverly.

Their website says in 1965 they formed some king of partnership
with Christofle and Maltilde Espunes forming La Union de Orfebres S.A.

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Re: New info on silverplate marks.

Postby dragonflywink » Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:27 pm

Maybe it's just me, but the top unidentified mark example appears to just have simplified "line" versions of the mark below it, with the center symbol being an eccentric fleur-de-lis (even has the same little center cross-bar).

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Re: New info on silverplate marks.

Postby 2209patrick » Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:57 am

Hi Cheryl.

Maybe I am reaching a bit on the similarity of the marks.

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Re: New info on silverplate marks.

Postby Brainfarth » Tue Sep 06, 2011 4:37 pm

I am trying to find some information on a tray with the same marks. Of all the importers and makers mentioned, I am still unable to make the connections.
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Re: New info on silverplate marks.

Postby Shreveport » Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:32 pm

A teapot I have has the same marks, but the image is negative, with the (backwards) c on the left, followed by the same two m's.

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Re: New info on silverplate marks.

Postby Kyle » Tue Feb 23, 2016 9:07 pm

See this site per the unknown marks; Meneses Orfebres of Madrid Spain (admin edit)
viewtopic.php?t=20276
Last edited by oel on Wed Feb 24, 2016 2:27 am, edited 2 times in total.
Reason: Entered name/removed link to commercial site

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Re: New info on silverplate marks.

Postby Mrs O » Mon Dec 25, 2017 4:48 pm

I have a tea set from my grandmother with tray, sugar, creamer, coffee pot and tea pot. The M fleur di lis and crown with a C or G under it is very visible on the creamer. The set has a Lilly of the valley motif. I haven’t been able to identify where it’s from yet

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Re: New info on silverplate marks.

Postby Mrs O » Mon Dec 25, 2017 5:02 pm

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