Unknown marks on the Russian teapot.
Unknown marks on the Russian teapot.
Hi, all!
Please. I have some difficulty ....))
Somebody can explain? Why on the Russian teapot from St. Petersburg over original Russian marks have put other marks.
And also. What are these marks?
Please. I have some difficulty ....))
Somebody can explain? Why on the Russian teapot from St. Petersburg over original Russian marks have put other marks.
And also. What are these marks?
Re: Unknown marks on the Russian teapot.
Hi,
Could it be the Paris year letter P for 1784 misformed and or fake? See Image;
From Marc Rosenberg Ausland und Byzans; By Order of August 31, 1782, stopped the changing year letter, and instead the town continued the yearly P with the last two figures of the year. The year letter P was used till 1794 and perhaps till 1797
Best,
Peter
Could it be the Paris year letter P for 1784 misformed and or fake? See Image;
From Marc Rosenberg Ausland und Byzans; By Order of August 31, 1782, stopped the changing year letter, and instead the town continued the yearly P with the last two figures of the year. The year letter P was used till 1794 and perhaps till 1797
Best,
Peter
Re: Unknown marks on the Russian teapot.
Hi Dad -
I have same style sugar- tea/coffee pots - were en vogue in the 1820 years in St. Petersburg.
Regards
Goldstein
I have same style sugar- tea/coffee pots - were en vogue in the 1820 years in St. Petersburg.
Regards
Goldstein
Re: Unknown marks on the Russian teapot.
Thanks
I think it is the counterfeit french marks too. A la from 18 century.
Second mark look like "Rene Pierre Ferrier".
Goldstein, you are right. Under the first mark a part of the Russian mark of 1830 is visible. (МК/1830)
I think it is the counterfeit french marks too. A la from 18 century.
Second mark look like "Rene Pierre Ferrier".
Goldstein, you are right. Under the first mark a part of the Russian mark of 1830 is visible. (МК/1830)
Re: Unknown marks on the Russian teapot.
Very clear ‚‚54‚‚ which is impossible. (Ordonanz vom 31.August 1782. (Goldstein`s reference).
Wrong French marks.
Are there more marks ? It`s a teapot, there should be.
Sometimes I still doubt secondary marks (every part marked before soldered together) were always struck on Russian silver in early 19th century.
Wrong French marks.
Are there more marks ? It`s a teapot, there should be.
Sometimes I still doubt secondary marks (every part marked before soldered together) were always struck on Russian silver in early 19th century.
Re: Unknown marks on the Russian teapot.
@ oel
Excuse me, Peter
You showed the page from Rosenberg.
Excuse me, Peter
You showed the page from Rosenberg.
Re: Unknown marks on the Russian teapot.
AG2012,
Unfortunately or fortunately, I am not the owner of this teapot. ))
oel,
In this fake there is a commercial sense?? To spoil the Russian teapot, Imperial style?? ))
Unfortunately or fortunately, I am not the owner of this teapot. ))
oel,
In this fake there is a commercial sense?? To spoil the Russian teapot, Imperial style?? ))
Re: Unknown marks on the Russian teapot.
@ Dad
Remember an old lady selling silver, long, long time ago.
``This is new Moscow `` (1830).
``Whaaat? ``
`` Yes, rebuilt after Napoleon! `` :)
It probably made sense at the time.To spoil the Russian teapot, Imperial style?? ))
Remember an old lady selling silver, long, long time ago.
``This is new Moscow `` (1830).
``Whaaat? ``
`` Yes, rebuilt after Napoleon! `` :)
Re: Unknown marks on the Russian teapot.
Hi Dad,
Silver made by Rene Pierre Ferrier, active last quarter 18th century, fetch a good price today and in the past. I do not know when the fake French mark & maker's mark were added. Perhaps long before Russian silver peaked and Russian silver prices soared. The corrupting effect of greed leads to distruction. Yes, it is a shame.
Peter
Silver made by Rene Pierre Ferrier, active last quarter 18th century, fetch a good price today and in the past. I do not know when the fake French mark & maker's mark were added. Perhaps long before Russian silver peaked and Russian silver prices soared. The corrupting effect of greed leads to distruction. Yes, it is a shame.
Peter
Re: Unknown marks on the Russian teapot.
Yes. You are right. Thanks for all contributors!