Opinion on authenticity
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Opinion on authenticity
Hi
I would be most grateful for any opinions on the authenticity of this knife and fork.
Many Thanks
Martin
I would be most grateful for any opinions on the authenticity of this knife and fork.
Many Thanks
Martin
Re: Opinion on authenticity
Hi,
What`s the mark on the right struck on the blade and on the left on the fork ? Is it French import ``swan mark`` ?
If so, it cannot appear alongside second kokoshnik mark.
It was used on silver imported into France from countries without Customs Conventions and discontinued in June 1893.
What`s the mark on the right struck on the blade and on the left on the fork ? Is it French import ``swan mark`` ?
If so, it cannot appear alongside second kokoshnik mark.
It was used on silver imported into France from countries without Customs Conventions and discontinued in June 1893.
Re: Opinion on authenticity
On the other hand, a quote from Tardy:
"The 'Swan' mark has been used since 1st July, 1893 .It is struck on silverware of the legal standard of fineness, but of unknown origin, which is sold at public auctions."
Whatever is correct - is Faberge ``of unknown origin?``
"The 'Swan' mark has been used since 1st July, 1893 .It is struck on silverware of the legal standard of fineness, but of unknown origin, which is sold at public auctions."
Whatever is correct - is Faberge ``of unknown origin?``
Re: Opinion on authenticity
Hi juantotree -
to mark silverknives on the blade was common. See example of Gordon:
the pattern on your photo was a Fabergé pattern. See examples:
All marks are correct! A little sloppy for Fabergé....but this cutlery was for the peanut eater - not the Tsar!
Enjoy!
Regards
Goldstein
source: private collection
to mark silverknives on the blade was common. See example of Gordon:
the pattern on your photo was a Fabergé pattern. See examples:
All marks are correct! A little sloppy for Fabergé....but this cutlery was for the peanut eater - not the Tsar!
Enjoy!
Regards
Goldstein
source: private collection
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Re: Opinion on authenticity
Thank you gentlemen for you time and responses. AG2012, yes it is the swan import mark.
Martin
Martin
Re: Opinion on authenticity
I did think that the swan was for items of "Unknown" origin, such as this spoon simply marked "STERLING" which has no other identification marks:
The Swan Hallmark can be incredibly small, yet it still has a large amount of detail in the Swan itself...
Since the item has been seen on fully hallmarked examples of Russian silver, as in the above examples, is it just a general import mark which could be applied to any item of silver imported into France? Also the "1893" confusion adds another layer of mysteriousness.
The Swan Hallmark can be incredibly small, yet it still has a large amount of detail in the Swan itself...
Since the item has been seen on fully hallmarked examples of Russian silver, as in the above examples, is it just a general import mark which could be applied to any item of silver imported into France? Also the "1893" confusion adds another layer of mysteriousness.
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Swan mark was discussed here.
Water and no water in the mark (some images are lost).
http://925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=13719
I suppose it was a proof of legal standard when trading foreign silver (privately owned, too).
But definitively since 1893 (as seen in one of the images - ``depuis``).
Paris assay office is without a distinguishing mark (a "différent"). If there is ``P`` then it`s Pontarlier.
Water and no water in the mark (some images are lost).
http://925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=13719
I suppose it was a proof of legal standard when trading foreign silver (privately owned, too).
But definitively since 1893 (as seen in one of the images - ``depuis``).
Paris assay office is without a distinguishing mark (a "différent"). If there is ``P`` then it`s Pontarlier.
Re: Opinion on authenticity
Hi,
The French swan mark; the swan mark indicates that the item is at least a minimum standard of 800 and was produced in a non-treaty country and served as an import identification. The swan mark used 1893-until 1970. However; In addition the swan is struck on silverware of the legal standard of fineness, but of unknown origin, to be sold at a public French auction.
Imperial Russia was a non-treaty country.
Peter
The French swan mark; the swan mark indicates that the item is at least a minimum standard of 800 and was produced in a non-treaty country and served as an import identification. The swan mark used 1893-until 1970. However; In addition the swan is struck on silverware of the legal standard of fineness, but of unknown origin, to be sold at a public French auction.
Imperial Russia was a non-treaty country.
Peter
Re: Opinion on authenticity
Hi
Have you seen such a pattern with a swan also on the cutlery of another goldsmith than Faberge? Recently I saw a small ladle to the sauce with this pattern but only the sign 84 was visible
Have you seen such a pattern with a swan also on the cutlery of another goldsmith than Faberge? Recently I saw a small ladle to the sauce with this pattern but only the sign 84 was visible
Goldstein wrote:Hi juantotree -
to mark silverknives on the blade was common. See example of Gordon:
the pattern on your photo was a Fabergé pattern. See examples:
All marks are correct! A little sloppy for Fabergé....but this cutlery was for the peanut eater - not the Tsar!
Enjoy!
Regards
Goldstein
source: private collection
Re: Opinion on authenticity
Thanks.
The pattern I'm asking for is exactly the same as on the fork you showed/
Regards
The pattern I'm asking for is exactly the same as on the fork you showed/
Regards