Pseudo marked Dutch spoon?

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Pseudo marked Dutch spoon?

Postby legrandmogol » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:59 pm

Hi, this is a funny little that I believe is set with fake marks but I am not 100%. It does have a genuine hatchet mark for what it is worth. Any help is appreciated.

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Re: Pseudo marked Dutch spoon?

Postby oel » Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:54 pm

Hi, it does look like the city mark of Alkmaar, the castle tower, used in the 18th century. I am not 100% sure. The lion rampant, the provincial standard mark looks OK. There should be a year letter and maker's mark. I will study it a bit longer and get back to you.
For Alkmaar see:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=32028#p80360

Peter.

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Re: Pseudo marked Dutch spoon?

Postby legrandmogol » Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:02 pm

Thank you Peter, I think you are right. There is no date letter though nor any evidence there was one. The makers mark (sorry for the rough photos) is kinda worn. It looks to be either C or G followed by either an E or F or less likely a B or R.

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Re: Pseudo marked Dutch spoon?

Postby oel » Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:14 pm

Ok, GF could be for: Godert van Fockenberg, registered in Alkmaar 1740-.......
Nice find.
Peter.

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Re: Pseudo marked Dutch spoon?

Postby legrandmogol » Mon Sep 23, 2019 6:26 pm

thank you again for your help! Despite how hard I looked at the marks I couldn't figure out what it was. I also now think the date letter might be that small blob underneath the tower. Did they combine the date letters with the town mark ever?

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Re: Pseudo marked Dutch spoon?

Postby oel » Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:50 am

Yes, Alkmaar did. However the latest literature available about Alkmaar mention it only for the second standard of silver. So called kleine keur. If it is a combined town and year letter mark and if only used for 2nd standard of silver 833/00 fineness . We would see this combined mark without the provincial lion rampant to indicate 1st standard or 934/000 fineness. However I do not rule out Alkmaar used a combined town mark /year letter on small silver items of 1st standard.

Peter.

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Re: Pseudo marked Dutch spoon?

Postby oel » Thu Sep 26, 2019 5:54 am

Hi, could you please be so kind to give the exact length of the spoon in cm and the exact weight in grams.
Thanks for your cooperation.

Peter.

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Re: Pseudo marked Dutch spoon?

Postby legrandmogol » Thu Sep 26, 2019 10:49 am

Of course, but it's at home and I am work. I'll bring with me to work tomorrow where my scales are. I work in the scrap precious metal industry so my scales are tested by the state and certified yearly. I bought this online though and not from a customer. Very very little old silver, let alone old European silver comes through my shop. I can tell you now that the seller's description has it at about 18.4 cm and the weight is 52.88 grams but I can double-check that for you tomorrow.
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Re: Pseudo marked Dutch spoon?

Postby legrandmogol » Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:45 am

I double-checked and the spoon does measure 18.4cm but it weighs 55.2 grams

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Re: Pseudo marked Dutch spoon?

Postby oel » Fri Sep 27, 2019 11:07 am

Thanks, exactly 3 grams/cm.
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