As yet unknown maker mark

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As yet unknown maker mark

Postby silvermedal » Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:10 am

Seasons Greetings to silver aficinados, I have intently navigated the internet to no avail to determine the maker of a WW2 badge. as can be seen in the image there are two marks, 900 for silver quality and the unknown maker , the letters F AND C either side a stylised church ? / tower ?

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can some kind soul identify the maker, thanking contributor (s) in anticipation

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Re: As yet unknown maker mark

Postby AG2012 » Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:32 am

Hi,
Interesting badge but probably younger than WW2.Still searching.
The mark looks like „Spindelpresse“ (screw press). Compare with the mark of M.H.Wilkens & Söhne, Bremen.
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Re: As yet unknown maker mark

Postby silvermedal » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:21 am

lateral thinking but F C upsets the apple cart

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Re: As yet unknown maker mark

Postby AG2012 » Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:25 am

More chances to solve the mystery by searching the badge rather than the maker.

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Re: As yet unknown maker mark

Postby Traintime » Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:52 pm

Is the worn guarantee mark actually an incomplete A900 Oval? If so, maker mark in barrel shape seems to be defined in World Marks as from Belgium (possibly around 1942). [Later Belgian standards mark changes to flower.] Does this seem correct?

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Re: As yet unknown maker mark

Postby silvermedal » Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:22 pm

From another party this badge may be associated with the firm of Altenloh although I cannot find any evidence from the internet of them using that F C logo. Maybe Altenloh only marketed the item, the as yet unknown jeweller ? fabricating it. If everything in life was simple !

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Re: As yet unknown maker mark

Postby oel » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:49 pm

The maker is ETABL.FISCH 59 Avenue E. Rostand Bruxelles.

See:
http://www.ascasonline.org/newsFEBBRA165.html


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Re: As yet unknown maker mark

Postby AG2012 » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:49 pm

Very rare badge of the 1st Light Anti-aircraft Regiment of the 1st Polish Armoured Division
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Re: As yet unknown maker mark

Postby Dendriet » Thu Feb 01, 2018 8:54 am

A small addition


FIBRU - EUROPE bvba has been around since 1853.

In 1853 the first medals were minted, engraved in a modest atelier by master engraver Antoine Fish

The activities were soon expanded to official awards, trophies and art goods.
Since 1934 the studio and the offices have been located in the current building: Edmond Rostandstraat 59 1070 Brussels / Belgium


The shown Makers Mark ( FC) is from:
Fish - Fernand Alfred Antoine Brussels
active 1-2-1942 - ca 1953.

Fibru has its own site that includes these data
I think this is a commercial site (Flash Player) that can not be shown here.

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Re: As yet unknown maker mark

Postby Dendriet » Sat Feb 03, 2018 11:11 am

Hi ,....

I think Ascasonline http://www.ascasonline.org/newsFEBBRA165.html misinterpretation and means FIBRU - EUROPE (Fibru.com) but that is not the makers mark.

The Makers Mark (FC) shown is from:
Fisch - Fernand Alfred Antoine Brussels
active 1-2-1942 - ca 1953
.

Dendriet

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Re: As yet unknown maker mark

Postby rniedziela » Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:41 am

Hello,

In fact it's Polish Army in Exile badge - unit was a part of 1st Armoured Division.

The badge is known to be made by Altenloch – Bruxelles.

Greetings
Rafal

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Re: As yet unknown maker mark

Postby Dendriet » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:20 am

rniedziela wrote:Hello,

In fact it's Polish Army in Exile badge - unit was a part of 1st Armoured Division.

The badge is known to be made by Altenloch – Bruxelles.

Greetings
Rafal


Unbelievable

Thank you very much for the very quick response to my 2 comments, which you completely ignore. Colleague of silvermedal ??

The makers mark (the word alone is clear enough) as shown on the picture with the initials FC is mentioned in the book with photo.
The same but with the Initials FF are from Fibru. (the same company)

* General index of Belgian goldsmiths, silversmiths and hallmarks 1798 - 1942
* General index of Belgian goldsmiths, silversmiths and hallmarks 1942 - 1997

What do you know about Altenloh Bruxelles ?? Total nothing ....... The name is completely wrong on the Polish site and that is taken over by others.

Altenloh Edouard, Altenloh Ernest and Altenloh Henri Edouard. These 3 companies located in Brussels with totally different Makers Marks and completely outside the period

* DICTIONNAIRE DES ORFÈVRES DE BRUXELLES AU XIXÈME SIÈCLE


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Re: As yet unknown maker mark

Postby Dendriet » Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:48 pm

rniedziela wrote:Hello,

In fact it's Polish Army in Exile badge - unit was a part of 1st Armoured Division.

The badge is known to be made by Altenloch – Bruxelles.

Greetings
Rafal


Et voila

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Re: As yet unknown maker mark

Postby Dendriet » Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:09 pm

Fibru.com

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Dendriet

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Re: As yet unknown maker mark

Postby rniedziela » Tue Aug 14, 2018 4:45 am

Dendriet wrote:
rniedziela wrote:Hello,

In fact it's Polish Army in Exile badge - unit was a part of 1st Armoured Division.

The badge is known to be made by Altenloch – Bruxelles.

Greetings
Rafal


Et voila

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Dendriet



Hello Dendriet,

I agree that it fits but sometimes you can find mentioned badge in a manufacturer's box:

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Greetings
Rafal

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Re: As yet unknown maker mark

Postby dognose » Tue Aug 14, 2018 5:10 am

Hi Rafal,

Welcome to the Forum.

Why do you assume that the label on the box refers to the manufacturer, rather than that of the retailer?

Trev.

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Re: As yet unknown maker mark

Postby Dendriet » Tue Aug 14, 2018 11:52 am

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Fisch is the silversmith (Company name Fibru = Fisch Bruxelles)

Altenloh is the retailer.

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Re: As yet unknown maker mark

Postby Dendriet » Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:06 pm

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This is the makers mark of Altenloh.

I do not think the company exists anymore


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