As yet unknown maker mark
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As yet unknown maker mark
Seasons Greetings to silver aficinados, I have intently navigated the internet to no avail to determine the maker of a WW2 badge. as can be seen in the image there are two marks, 900 for silver quality and the unknown maker , the letters F AND C either side a stylised church ? / tower ?
can some kind soul identify the maker, thanking contributor (s) in anticipation
can some kind soul identify the maker, thanking contributor (s) in anticipation
Re: As yet unknown maker mark
Hi,
Interesting badge but probably younger than WW2.Still searching.
The mark looks like „Spindelpresse“ (screw press). Compare with the mark of M.H.Wilkens & Söhne, Bremen.
Regards
Interesting badge but probably younger than WW2.Still searching.
The mark looks like „Spindelpresse“ (screw press). Compare with the mark of M.H.Wilkens & Söhne, Bremen.
Regards
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lateral thinking but F C upsets the apple cart
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More chances to solve the mystery by searching the badge rather than the maker.
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Is the worn guarantee mark actually an incomplete A900 Oval? If so, maker mark in barrel shape seems to be defined in World Marks as from Belgium (possibly around 1942). [Later Belgian standards mark changes to flower.] Does this seem correct?
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Re: As yet unknown maker mark
From another party this badge may be associated with the firm of Altenloh although I cannot find any evidence from the internet of them using that F C logo. Maybe Altenloh only marketed the item, the as yet unknown jeweller ? fabricating it. If everything in life was simple !
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The maker is ETABL.FISCH 59 Avenue E. Rostand Bruxelles.
See:
http://www.ascasonline.org/newsFEBBRA165.html
Peter
See:
http://www.ascasonline.org/newsFEBBRA165.html
Peter
Re: As yet unknown maker mark
Very rare badge of the 1st Light Anti-aircraft Regiment of the 1st Polish Armoured Division
Regards
Regards
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A small addition
FIBRU - EUROPE bvba has been around since 1853.
In 1853 the first medals were minted, engraved in a modest atelier by master engraver Antoine Fish
The activities were soon expanded to official awards, trophies and art goods.
Since 1934 the studio and the offices have been located in the current building: Edmond Rostandstraat 59 1070 Brussels / Belgium
The shown Makers Mark ( FC) is from:
Fish - Fernand Alfred Antoine Brussels
active 1-2-1942 - ca 1953.
Fibru has its own site that includes these data
I think this is a commercial site (Flash Player) that can not be shown here.
FIBRU - EUROPE bvba has been around since 1853.
In 1853 the first medals were minted, engraved in a modest atelier by master engraver Antoine Fish
The activities were soon expanded to official awards, trophies and art goods.
Since 1934 the studio and the offices have been located in the current building: Edmond Rostandstraat 59 1070 Brussels / Belgium
The shown Makers Mark ( FC) is from:
Fish - Fernand Alfred Antoine Brussels
active 1-2-1942 - ca 1953.
Fibru has its own site that includes these data
I think this is a commercial site (Flash Player) that can not be shown here.
Re: As yet unknown maker mark
Hi ,....
I think Ascasonline http://www.ascasonline.org/newsFEBBRA165.html misinterpretation and means FIBRU - EUROPE (Fibru.com) but that is not the makers mark.
The Makers Mark (FC) shown is from:
Fisch - Fernand Alfred Antoine Brussels
active 1-2-1942 - ca 1953.
Dendriet
I think Ascasonline http://www.ascasonline.org/newsFEBBRA165.html misinterpretation and means FIBRU - EUROPE (Fibru.com) but that is not the makers mark.
The Makers Mark (FC) shown is from:
Fisch - Fernand Alfred Antoine Brussels
active 1-2-1942 - ca 1953.
Dendriet
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Re: As yet unknown maker mark
Hello,
In fact it's Polish Army in Exile badge - unit was a part of 1st Armoured Division.
The badge is known to be made by Altenloch – Bruxelles.
Greetings
Rafal
In fact it's Polish Army in Exile badge - unit was a part of 1st Armoured Division.
The badge is known to be made by Altenloch – Bruxelles.
Greetings
Rafal
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Unbelievablerniedziela wrote:Hello,
In fact it's Polish Army in Exile badge - unit was a part of 1st Armoured Division.
The badge is known to be made by Altenloch – Bruxelles.
Greetings
Rafal
Thank you very much for the very quick response to my 2 comments, which you completely ignore. Colleague of silvermedal ??
The makers mark (the word alone is clear enough) as shown on the picture with the initials FC is mentioned in the book with photo.
The same but with the Initials FF are from Fibru. (the same company)
* General index of Belgian goldsmiths, silversmiths and hallmarks 1798 - 1942
* General index of Belgian goldsmiths, silversmiths and hallmarks 1942 - 1997
What do you know about Altenloh Bruxelles ?? Total nothing ....... The name is completely wrong on the Polish site and that is taken over by others.
Altenloh Edouard, Altenloh Ernest and Altenloh Henri Edouard. These 3 companies located in Brussels with totally different Makers Marks and completely outside the period
* DICTIONNAIRE DES ORFÈVRES DE BRUXELLES AU XIXÈME SIÈCLE
Dendriet
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Et voilarniedziela wrote:Hello,
In fact it's Polish Army in Exile badge - unit was a part of 1st Armoured Division.
The badge is known to be made by Altenloch – Bruxelles.
Greetings
Rafal
Dendriet
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Fibru.com
Dendriet
Dendriet
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Re: As yet unknown maker mark
Dendriet wrote:Et voilarniedziela wrote:Hello,
In fact it's Polish Army in Exile badge - unit was a part of 1st Armoured Division.
The badge is known to be made by Altenloch – Bruxelles.
Greetings
Rafal
Dendriet
Hello Dendriet,
I agree that it fits but sometimes you can find mentioned badge in a manufacturer's box:
Greetings
Rafal
Re: As yet unknown maker mark
Hi Rafal,
Welcome to the Forum.
Why do you assume that the label on the box refers to the manufacturer, rather than that of the retailer?
Trev.
Welcome to the Forum.
Why do you assume that the label on the box refers to the manufacturer, rather than that of the retailer?
Trev.
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Fisch is the silversmith (Company name Fibru = Fisch Bruxelles)
Altenloh is the retailer.
Fisch is the silversmith (Company name Fibru = Fisch Bruxelles)
Altenloh is the retailer.
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This is the makers mark of Altenloh.
I do not think the company exists anymore
This is the makers mark of Altenloh.
I do not think the company exists anymore