POMANDER 13luth

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POMANDER 13luth

Postby madej » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:13 am

Hi
I think it's a pomander, but is not it too big? 8x8cm.
It seems to me that the date from the mark is 182 .. and F1 over the date. .F1 is the symbol of the Assay Office from the Galicia of the city of Przemyśl but since 1866 and here is the date 182 ...?What do you think?
Do you recognize the goldsmith?
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Re: POMANDER 13luth

Postby huszas76 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:21 pm

Hello!
It's from Olmütz. I don't know, what is pomander, but this is a string holder.
I Dont't have list from the makers from Olmütz this time, maybe other members have.
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Re: POMANDER 13luth

Postby madej » Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:08 pm

Hi Krisztián .
Thanks for the answer.
I think, however, that it's a pomander. A dish for fragrances. Enter in wikipedia :)
The mark also does not suit me to Olmütz.
Screen from the auction house with the pomander.
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Re: POMANDER 13luth

Postby AG2012 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:47 pm

Hi,
Krisztián is right about Radelpunze F1 for Olmütz in Bohemia.The same unidentified maker on top compared with your mark.
It is a Biedermeier string holder, more commonly seen in Central Europe but there are e.g.American as well.Have seen several in museums of applied art, so there is no doubt about its purpose.Pomanders may look similar but smaller.String holder can easily accommodate a ball of string.
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Re: POMANDER 13luth

Postby huszas76 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:49 pm

I don't want to convince you, but I can show some string holder from old auctions too.
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From your the wristlet is missing.
And I'm not at my sources, but I'm pretty sure, that F1 is Olmütz in that time.
But believe, what you want! :)
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Re: POMANDER 13luth

Postby huszas76 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 1:52 pm

But it's a good idea to rename a defective item to sell. :D

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Re: POMANDER 13luth

Postby madej » Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:10 pm

HI
AG2012
Hi Krisztián
I want to know how it really is and not how it suits me :)
Please, post photos from old auctions with string holders for comparison with mine. Is it known in what years was this mark in Olmütz in force?
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Re: POMANDER 13luth

Postby AG2012 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:33 pm

Not all string holders were hand (wrist) held.Sometimes they were placed on the floor.Even if meant to be suspended on the wrist, they were often placed on the floor for easier knitting.
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Re: POMANDER 13luth

Postby huszas76 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:52 pm

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And 6 one of the collections of the Hungarian Museum os Applied Arts:
http://gyujtemeny.imm.hu/keres-reszlete ... ionNumber=
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Re: POMANDER 13luth

Postby madej » Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:59 pm

Hi .
Thanks ,to now you have convinced me :) This is a rare obiect for me and the more about this shape and the signs are not often found :)
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Re: POMANDER 13luth

Postby madej » Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:02 pm

Hi
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From what object the hallmark posted by you comes from?
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Re: POMANDER 13luth

Postby huszas76 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:21 am

I don't want to convince you. I just know the truth, and maybe my answer can help to others.
This mark used between 1807-1866.
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Re: POMANDER 13luth

Postby AG2012 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:10 am

From what object the hallmark posted by you comes from?


The mark is on knife benches (Messerbänkchen) 1829.
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