Judaica cup with lid. origin?

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bread_baby
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Judaica cup with lid. origin?

Postby bread_baby » Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:36 am

Dear 925,

I have this silver cup (tested) with what looks like Judaic designs and engraved text. 10,5cm height including bird. On The foot is one worn mark.

Can someone translate the engraving? Antique or fake?

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Re: Judaica cup with lid. origin?

Postby Qrt.S » Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:51 pm

The shown mark is not a silver mark but maybe a maker's mark or journey man's mark or? Depending on how the test was made and who made it, the result can be anything.
Please keep in mind that a "tested" silver plate object often shows a high value of silver fineness, but that is only for the surface. The silver surface on a silver plated object is 100% silver. It is a very, very thin layer of silver. The base metal can be whatever...
What your cup is, is more or less impossible to know with the information provided by you.

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Re: Judaica cup with lid. origin?

Postby AG2012 » Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:47 pm

Hi,
There seems to be one more mark (red arrow) but it does not help much,either.
It is hand embossed and chased with cast finial, but rather crude craftsmanship,though.
I suggest to find someone who is familiar with Hebrew cursive script.
I doubt it`s European in spite of T.L maker`s ? initials.
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Re: Judaica cup with lid. origin?

Postby bread_baby » Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:29 pm

AG2012 wrote:Hi,
There seems to be one more mark (red arrow) but it does not help much,either.

No that is just the embossed/debossed decorative part.
Yes I was hoping someone can recognize the style/making and read the engraving, maybe it has a date! Should I post in another area of the forum?

Qrt.S wrote:The shown mark is not a silver mark but maybe a maker's mark or journey man's mark or?


I used a File on the bottom rim/foot of the cup to remove the top layer. The acid test turned to a good red color. Sorry for not being clear.

I also have this Tunisia Judaic spice box in the shape of a pear. It looks similar to the cup don't you think? However I couldn't find any Tunisian silver marks on the Cup, I know they are very small and I looked everywhere. It looks exactly like this (pic from eBay):

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