Kingdom of Prussia ?

[DoCho]

Hello,

This “confiturier” by Pierre LEPLAIN has three French hallmarks (master silversmith, 1st Coq and Garantie de Paris 1798-1809) but also four other hallmarks (crowned eagle, head? Wild boar's head, small rectangular hallmark). The crowned eagle suggests kingdom of Prussia.

Could you help me to identify them?

DoCho

[amena]

The crowned eagle suggests Kingdom of Sardinia after 1824
Regards

[DoCho]

Thank you Amena for your comment about Kingdom of Sardinia. I am going to explore this hypothesis.

I was wondering if the eagle could match the tax exemption hallmark of the Kingdom of Prussia (https://www.925-1000.com/Fgerman_marks_b1884_5.html).
In addition, the coat of arms of the city of Vienna represents the crusader shield. It was used as a hallmark to characterize silverware made in Vienna from 1737 to 1810 (https://www.silvercollection.it/austria ... marks.html).

Many French emigrated to Vienna during the French Revolution.

Do you have any ideas for other hallmarks ?

[amena]

Maybe I wasn't clear. The crowned eagle is certainly the hallmark used in the Savoy kingdom from 1824 to 1872.
https://www.silvercollection.it/TORINOHALLMARKS.html
Along with that there are two other marks, one of which is the mintmark of a city, but the photo is too small to identify it.
If you clean them and post a larger photo we might be able to understand something more.
If the piece that bears those marks does not bear any others, then it means that that part was manufactured in the Savoy kingdom between 1824 and 1872.
If instead it also bears the French marks, then it is of French manufacture and was re-stamped in those years.
As for the other marks, they seem French to me, but it is better to wait for the opinion of someone more expert
Regards
Amena

[DoCho]

Hi Amena,
Thank you very much for your precious indications about crowned eagle and Savoy Kingdom. I hadn't really explored the pages dedicated to Italian silver.

I tried to photograph the two other punches, but the definition remains low!

Regards
DoCho

[amena]

The photos of the round marks are much better and allow us to identify the dolphin, the mark of the Genoa mint.


The small square mark, which is very blurry, is most likely a silversmith's mark.
You did not tell us whether these marks are together with French marks or alone, but the presence of a silversmith's mark would suggest that the piece was made in Genoa.
Regards
Amena

[Aguest]

:::: The pictures show the French-hallmarked lamp (I think it's a lamp?) separated from the Italian-hallmarked base? ::::

::::: What is the "wild boar" hallmark doing on there if the "wild boar" was only stamped 1797-1798 as best I can understand the "wild boar" hallmark? :: If the "wild boar" hallmark extended into 1798 when the "chicken" hallmark was introduced, does that conclusively give the year of manufacture as 1798 or am I wrong again? :::::

::::: This could be moved into the French section because maybe the French experts haven't looked at this thread yet. :::::::

[DoCho]

Hello,

Thank you for your comments. And thank you Amena for the dolfin of Genoa.

The French marks are rather far from the Italian ones.
It’s not a lamp but a jam pot (“confiturier” in French).
The wild boar is similar to the mark of the corporation of parisian silversmiths (1797) but the head is turn towards the left !
I don’t know if it is possible to transfer this discussion in the French section. It is a good idea.

Regards

DoCho

[Aguest]

:::: There is a good article about the right-facing boar hallmark entitled "THE MYSTERIOUS BOAR'S HEAD MARK" and the article mentions finding this mark in an irregular-shaped cartouche on a cruet set. ::::::

[Aguest]

:::: I mean "Left-Facing Boar In An Irregularly-Shaped Oblong Cartouche" sorry for the confusion. ::::

[Aguest]

[DoCho]

Thank you very much for that information about the French wild boar marks and especially the left-facing boar in an irregularly-shaped oblong cartouche.
Maurice Meslans’ article is fascinating (https://www.ascasonline.org/articoloAGOS221.html ). I did not know that the head turned towards left was previously described.
Bravo for your insight for the French marks!

And bravo Amena for the Savoy Kingdom and the dolphin of Genoa !