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carlislepaul · Joined: 24 Sep 2009 Posts: 20 Location: Carlisle

Please identify Moscow marks

Regards

Paul

Qrt.S · Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 10:25 am Post subject:

Another long haul. Its made and assayed i Moscow 1882-1886 (88). The maker, is it К.И (KI) who is unknown to me. Sorry

Juke · Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:41 pm Post subject:

Hi!

I guess you meant the assay period from 1882 - 1896 (98) or have I something new to learn.

Regards,
Juke

Qrt.S · Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 1:54 pm Post subject:

Yes of course 1882-1896 (98). Thank you for correcting my typo. I'm terribly sorry.

Maybe somebody wonders why 98 in brackets. The official years are 1882-1896 but it just happened that the mint office was unable to produce and deliver the new assaying marks all over the large country before the deadline. Therefore you can find items marked up to the end of 1898 and even in a few very rare cases even with the year 1899 with the old marks.

carlislepaul · Joined: 24 Sep 2009 Posts: 20 Location: Carlisle

Thank you for your efforts and messages.

Paul

Postnikov · Joined: 31 Oct 2009 Posts: 62 Location: Germany

Hi -
when you read Russian silvermarks, every detail is important! Is the master´s punch in a rectangle, a square or an oval - in this case it is in an oval, it do not read IK (there is no IK in an oval in Moscow), it reads KK and is the punch of Kijazev Konstantin Egorowitsch ( 1885-1889).
Hope that helps

carlislepaul · Joined: 24 Sep 2009 Posts: 20 Location: Carlisle

Thank you Postnikov, well done again.

Paul

Qrt.S · Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:47 am Post subject:

I would not bet on that. You cannot take an initial and just claim that is he or she for the reason that the initials just happen to match. What if I say that it could as well be Kuzma Ivanovich Konov. A silversmith from Moscow 1891-1917 who's initials happen also to be KK.

carlislepaul · Joined: 24 Sep 2009 Posts: 20 Location: Carlisle

Gents

Postnikov states eleswhere that the makers mark is always upside down to the assay mark.

When looking at it in this way, I (I should say my wife who understands cyrillic and thinks it is I JA) find the mark almost identical to Ivan Yashin, Moscow 1884-1897, who has been recently added to the Russian makers marks on this website. What do you think?

At the time of writing imagehost.org has crashed so an enlarged photo will not be available until it is repaired.

Regards

Paul

Postnikov · Joined: 31 Oct 2009 Posts: 62 Location: Germany

Hi -

Jaschin Ivan Kusmitsch, the owner of a larger silverfactory making mostly "stakantschik and loschki" (little vodka shotglases in silver and spoons) could be your man. But first let´s have a look at the spoon again when imagehost.org is working. (photobucket never crashes....), because his mark is in a rectangle.
Regards
Postnikov

Postnikov · Joined: 31 Oct 2009 Posts: 62 Location: Germany

Hi -
server is on again, here my thoughts:

spoon normal

Spoon turned 180°

Maker Kiazev

The catouche is exact, font fits

Maker Jaschin

The cartouche is a rectangle, do not fit, font do not fit

My opinion: Kiazev

Regards

Postnikov

Qrt.S · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:16 am Post subject:

Its not Yachin, but Kiazev is one possibility, but the cartuoche on the spoon has more rounded corners, but...?

However, to me it still looks like КИ and that gives two other possible alternatives:

K. Iv. Ivanov, mentioned 1898 in Moscow and Ksenia Pavlovna Ilyina, also mentioned 1898 in Moscow. The problem is, however, that I know the initials only but not the shape of their mark or font.

I don't think we can do much more...

carlislepaul · Joined: 24 Sep 2009 Posts: 20 Location: Carlisle

Gents

Thank you for all your efforts.

Regards

Paul