help with vintage chatelaine silver purse

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modemgirlz
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help with vintage chatelaine silver purse

Postby modemgirlz » Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:40 am

could someone help me with the marks on this purse. country, artists and date. Thank you very much
http://img8.picsplace.to/img8/16/purse_silver_015.jpg

http://img8.picsplace.to/img8/16/purse_silver_022.jpg

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blakstone
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Postby blakstone » Tue Jun 06, 2006 4:43 pm

These are pseudo marks used in the late 19th/early 20th century by two firms in Hanau, Germany: Gebrüder Dingeldein and Karl Kurz. Gebrüder [=Brothers] Dingeldein were in business by 1870. In 1911, August Dingeldein married a daughter of Karl Kurz, who had left his father’s silver shop - Johann Siegmund Kurz & Co. — around 1900 to establish his own. At this time, Dingeldein inherited Kurz’s dies, patterns and pseudo-marks. Since the marks were used by both firms, there is no way to tell which made your piece, but it certainly dates around the first decade of the 20th century.

Incidentally, two of August Dingeldein’s sons moved to America, where both became prominent silversmiths: Otto Dingeldein of St. Louis and later Cape Girardeau, MO, and Karl Dingeldein of New Orleans.

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THANK YOU SO MUCH!

Postby modemgirlz » Tue Jun 06, 2006 6:19 pm

Blakstone,
YOU don't know how grateful I am. I have always wanted to know where this piece came from. I thought it was German, but wasn't sure. I did have one more question, is this piece sterling? what marks would indicate this is silver? Thank you so much again for taking the time to answer my question :)

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Postby blakstone » Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:25 pm

Unfortunately, there's no way to tell the fineness by the marks. The German minimum fineness was .800, which was widely used on utilitarian objects such as this, which would take a good deal of wear. It's at least that, and my guess is precisely that.

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Purse

Postby modemgirlz » Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:17 pm

Thank you so much once again Blackstone, You have been so kind as to help me with all these questions. I am just grateful to know where my purse came from and the history about it. Kristina


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