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Early Dutch Mark?
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:29 pm
by excalibur1661
Hello,
I would be grateful for your expert opinion on the mark on this bowl which somewhat resembles early Dutch in design.
Thank you.
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Re: Early Dutch Mark?
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:08 am
by oel
Hi,
To me, as a non expert the marks do definitely not look Dutch. I have seen the dumb-belt/halter before somewhere on the forum but not 100% sure about this either. To me the repose brandy bowl could be a replica in Neo rococo style perhaps made in Hanau.
Let us wait what others have to say.
Regards,
Oel
Re: Early Dutch Mark?
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:02 pm
by excalibur1661
oel wrote:Hi,
To me, as a non expert the marks do definitely not look Dutch. I have seen the dumb-belt/halter before somewhere on the forum but not 100% sure about this either. To me the repose brandy bowl could be a replica in Neo rococo style perhaps made in Hanau.
Let us wait what others have to say.
Regards,
Oel
Thank you for shedding light on the mark.
Regards,
Fred
Re: Early Dutch Mark?
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:19 am
by zilverik
Hi Fred an Oel,
This is a serie of pseudomarks (serie h Citroen, Valse Zilvermerken in Nederland, 1977). Made in the Netherlands, Friesland.
Regards,
Zilverik
Re: Early Dutch Mark?
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 12:06 pm
by oel
Thanks Zilverik! Is it possible to show us serie h of Citroen?
Regards,
Oel
Re: Early Dutch Mark?
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 12:24 pm
by zilverik
Hi Oel,
Yes that is possible, but not now. It takes time on machines that do not always cooperate. After the hollidays I will make a scan.
Regards,
Zilverik
Re: Early Dutch Mark?
Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:54 pm
by excalibur1661
Thanks a lot Zilverik.
I would be very grateful if you found the time to scan the mark and have it posted.
Kind rgards,
fred
Re: Early Dutch Mark?
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 5:52 am
by zilverik
Hi fred,
This is a serie. There are other known series. Sometimes some oarts of the series are changed into other parts of other pseudoseries.
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Regards,
Zilverik
Re: Early Dutch Mark?
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 3:22 pm
by excalibur1661
Thank you so much Zilverik for your expert opinion on this mystery mark.
Is there any hint at, or do you have any ideas on the circa date of manufacture?
Kind regards,
Fred
Re: Early Dutch Mark?
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 3:44 pm
by zilverik
Hi fred,
Maybe around 1890. Citroen (Valse zilvermerken in Nederland, 1977) mentioned that about 1870 the concept of Antiques for objects older than 100 years entered taxlaws. Silver exporters from Holland made a profit from the low taxs in England and the U.S. for antique silver. In Schoonhoven they made special silver for these countries with pseudomarks. The importers knew that it was not old according to the bookkeeping of a London silvershop.
Regards,
Zilverik
Re: Early Dutch Mark?
Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2011 11:05 pm
by excalibur1661
Hi Zilverik,
I really appreciate your shedding light on this mark so thoroughly and I may add expertly.
Regards,
Fred