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My wife bought this at a charity shop.
The Marks are on the outside of the bowl and hard to photograph.
The 'G' looks like London 1882 or Dublin 1753 & 1779.
The middle Mark has no detail but in the form of a Malta Cross or 4 leaf clover. The last mark is indistinct.
I thought the bust on the handle might give a clue.
I am a novice,any help would be appreciated

Doesn't look English or Irish to me. Possibly Dutch?

Miles

seems to be a product of Hanau /Germany ca.1890.

Possibly Georg Roth of Hanau, Germany.

Hello, Roth seems to have used a "GR" under a crown, so this is probably not his product. Still might be a Hanau manufacturer. Best wishes, Bahner

Here is a smaller, but clearer example of your mark. Roth did sometimes use a crowned R, but as far as I know, this particular combination of marks has not yet been attributed.
Regards, Tom

Thanks for all the help.
There are some faintly discernable Marks above the G which leads me to believe the three marks Tom posted are the same.
Does anyone know what the spoon was used for
Thanks . Ken.

Just recently on another forum I presented some research of mine regarding these marks and why I think they are, indeed, those of Georg Roth of Hanau. Hanau makers sometimes - but by no means always - used their trademarks alongside pseudo-marks. Wolfgang Scheffler, in Goldschmiede Hessens, made the first systematic study of Hanau pseudo-marks. He started with items bearing a maker's known trademark or items with pseudo-marks which by other means could be positively attributed to a maker. Then, he noted any spurious marks appearing with these marks. By this comparative method, he was able to identify even more pseudo-marks. For instance:




Mark 1 shows Roth’s presumed “official” mark (Scheffler #550) and two pseudo French marks, the crowned A and P (Scheffler #s 549 and 551, respectively). From the crowned A and P, Scheffler was able to identify two more marks as Roth’s as seen in Mark 2: the crowned fleur-de-lys (Scheffer #552) and the crowned KW (Scheffler #555).

All of these marks are shown in Scheffler as noted and attributed to Roth. Extending his findings, I note the following:



Here we have the crowned KW (Scheffler #555) from Mark 2 appearing three times with the crowned G in question - twice with the cross, as well. I believe the third, faint mark on your spoon (and probably that in the moderator's small photo as well) is Roth's crowned KW, which I have now seen so many times with the crowned G and cross that I have no doubt that they are Roth's as well. Certainly the "medallion and garland" style of your (condiment?) spoon is entirely consistent with Roth's output.

I note, too, that this “crowned G” is incorrectly identified on the “Germany before 1886” page in this forum as the Gorlitz city mark (which was a crowned G, but I'm pretty sure the one illustrated there is the pseudo-mark discussed here).

I note, too, that this “crowned G” is incorrectly identified on the “Germany before 1886” page in this forum as the Gorlitz city mark (which was a crowned G, but I'm pretty sure the one illustrated there is the pseudo-mark discussed here).

Absolutely, but it is a match for one of the variations of Goerlitz marks illustrated in Tardy, so it can serve double duty until I find a better example.

Regards, Tom

Hello, as Roth is established as the maker, I would like to make a wild guess. First thought that came to mind when I saw the bust was: that looks like German poet Friedrich Schiller. Exactly his profile and his hairdo. 1905 was the 100th anniversary of his death and it was widely celebrated in Germany. Could very well be that Roth made the spoon for that reason. 1905 would go nicely with the Neo-Empire style of the handle. Best wishes, Bahner

Hi,
I've just been re-reading all of the old posts on Hanau silver posted in the forum over the years. While scanning this one and seeing the "KW" mark, the makers Wolf & Knell popped into my head. I'm wondering if there was a relationship between W & K and Roth that would explain him using a mark that would be so much more appropriate for Wolf & Knell. I've searched the forums for W & K, but they've never had a mention here.

Thanks, Tom