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Tea spoon identification
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2024 6:37 am
by PatrickZ
I need some advice regarding a tea spoon.
Could someone please explain or clarify both marks
https://ibb.co/2vy9f0p
https://ibb.co/hyshNdM
Re: Tea spoon identification
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2024 6:47 am
by dognose
Hi,
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Trev.
Re: Tea spoon identification
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2024 6:54 am
by PatrickZ
Thanks dognose!
Hereby the pictures
Re: Tea spoon identification
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2024 7:31 am
by oel
Hi Patrick, welcome to the forum. These marks are unknown to me, not Dutch and perhaps not silver marks. Are you sure your teaspoon is solid silver and not silver-plated or made out of a non precious metal?
Peter.
Re: Tea spoon identification
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:28 am
by PatrickZ
oel wrote: Sat Jan 06, 2024 7:31 am
Hi Patrick, welcome to the forum. These marks are unknown to me, not Dutch and perhaps not silver marks. Are you sure your teaspoon is solid silver and not silver-plated or made out of a non precious metal?
Peter.
Thanks for the response. As far as we know its solid silver.
We got this as family heritage. And that is basically all that we know.
Several cutlery have been put online for auction but this one got really the attention with several bids .
This basically raised our curiosity.
Re: Tea spoon identification
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2024 12:02 pm
by oel
Hi, apologies you are right, my mistake. Indeed solid silver, single key with year letter, the town mark for the city of Leiden.
HF conjoined for
Hendrik
Fortman, active/registered in Leiden, 1740-1807.
Single key for silver of 2nd standard, so called
kleine keur, year letter D for 1762 or 1787 if O(?) for 1772 or 1796
Hendrik comes from a family of silversmiths. Both his father and his two brothers were silversmiths. Jacobus Fortman, the founder, was admitted to the guild in Leiden in 1707. His eldest son Dirk became a master in The Hague in 1736. Hendrik followed his father and was admitted to the guild in Leiden in 1740. His brother Abraham became a silversmith in the same city in 1753. The two brothers probably remained unmarried and lived to a very old age. Hendrik died in 1807 and Abraham died in 1808. The Fortman dynasty in Leiden died out after a century of activity.
For Leiden see;
https://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=32028
https://www.lakenhal.nl/nl/collectie/b-1091
https://www.lakenhal.nl/nl/collectie/5215
Peter.
Source; Goud en zilvermerken van Voet, L.B. Gans, Premsela & Hamburger, Karel Citroen, Dutch Goldsmiths'and silversmiths'marks and names prior to 1812
Re: Tea spoon identification
Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2024 12:51 pm
by PatrickZ
oel wrote: Sat Jan 06, 2024 12:02 pm
Hi, apologies you are right, my mistake. Indeed solid silver, single key with year letter, the town mark for the city of Leiden.
HF conjoined for
Hendrik
Fortman, active/registered in Leiden, 1740-1807.
Single key for silver of 2nd standard, so called
kleine keur, year letter D for 1762 or 1787 if O(?) for 1772 or 1796
Hendrik comes from a family of silversmiths. Both his father and his two brothers were silversmiths. Jacobus Fortman, the founder, was admitted to the guild in Leiden in 1707. His eldest son Dirk became a master in The Hague in 1736. Hendrik followed his father and was admitted to the guild in Leiden in 1740. His brother Abraham became a silversmith in the same city in 1753. The two brothers probably remained unmarried and lived to a very old age. Hendrik died in 1807 and Abraham died in 1808. The Fortman dynasty in Leiden died out after a century of activity.
For Leiden see;
https://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=32028
https://www.lakenhal.nl/nl/collectie/b-1091
https://www.lakenhal.nl/nl/collectie/5215
Peter.
Source; Goud en zilvermerken van Voet, L.B. Gans, Premsela & Hamburger, Karel Citroen, Dutch Goldsmiths'and silversmiths'marks and names prior to 1812
Hi Oel!
Thanks for the great explenation.
I also found the same name. I came up this due to a item on the boymans website.
Again thanks for the great help