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18th century French silver?
Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2024 12:51 pm
by zeplinater
Hello all.
Just wondering if someone familiar with French marks could help with these hallmarks please? I'm assuming 18th century French? Sorry they are not brilliant to see.
Thanks
JC
Re: 18th century French silver?
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 12:42 pm
by JayT
Hello
Yes, your spoon appears to be French 18th C. However the marks aren’t giving much info.
The first mark you show appears to be the maker, shown upside down. I see a crowned fleur-de-lys with 1 of the 2 grains. The maker’s initials and symbol are illegible to me.
The second mark should be the charge mark as it is punched head-to-head with the presumed maker’s mark, but it is dirty and unclear.
The next mark is the date letter or poinçon de jurande. As you know, date letters occurred in cycles. In the 18th C, R was used 1710-11, 1733-34, 1757-58, and 1780-81. The only way to know the date would be concordance with the charge mark and the maker.
I don’t see a discharge mark.
Your spoon is the Filet or thread pattern with the thread nicely chased in. Length would tell you what kind of spoon it is. It could use a restoration to get the handle aligned.
Hope this helps.
Regards.
Re: 18th century French silver?
Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2024 10:12 am
by zeplinater
JayT wrote: Wed Oct 23, 2024 12:42 pm
Hello
Yes, your spoon appears to be French 18th C. However the marks aren’t giving much info.
The first mark you show appears to be the maker, shown upside down. I see a crowned fleur-de-lys with 1 of the 2 grains. The maker’s initials and symbol are illegible to me.
The second mark should be the charge mark as it is punched head-to-head with the presumed maker’s mark, but it is dirty and unclear.
The next mark is the date letter or poinçon de jurande. As you know, date letters occurred in cycles. In the 18th C, R was used 1710-11, 1733-34, 1757-58, and 1780-81. The only way to know the date would be concordance with the charge mark and the maker.
I don’t see a discharge mark.
Your spoon is the Filet or thread pattern with the thread nicely chased in. Length would tell you what kind of spoon it is. It could use a restoration to get the handle aligned.
Hope this helps.
Regards.
It does Jay thank you for your help. I'll try and gently clean up the marks to show more detail. If I can I'll post further pictures but thank you for your help so far.
Re: 18th century French silver?
Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:17 pm
by JayT
My pleasure.
Re: 18th century French silver?
Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:22 pm
by anikopol
As JayT mentionned, we do not see any discharge mark on the pictures published (note that discharge marks are generally quite small marks, basically 1/4 to 1/2 the size of hallmark).
If confirmed, this lake of discharge may suggest that it is not a Parisian production, but more probably a production from another area of France.