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Dutch knife with soldiers, 18th century, maker?

Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2025 12:58 pm
by Vantlicht
I have never seen this knifes with soldiers on it. But this one looks like an exception. Wonderful, however it only marked with a makersmark that I do not recognize. So I need some help to determine this knife. Thanks in advance!

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Re: Dutch knife with soldiers, 18th century, maker?

Posted: Wed May 28, 2025 5:33 am
by Vantlicht
This knife attributed to Voet nr. 522: Bernardus Johannes Jelgerhuis, who (already) became a master at the age of twenty in 1779. He was the third generation in his family, after his father Johannes and his grandfather Bernardus sr. Junior did not grow old: 1759-1805. Apparently he no longer lived in Leeuwarden in recent years but in Rijperkerk/Ryptsjerk, where his father had also lived and died. That may also have led to the fact that no work was known by Bernardus jr. - until the discovery of this knife.

Re: Dutch knife with soldiers, 18th century, maker?

Posted: Wed May 28, 2025 9:24 am
by oel
According to K.A. Citroen in Dutch silversmiths marks and names prior to 1812. Bernardus Jelgerhuis II, was registered in Leeuwarden with a letter mark BI executed in italics, 1779-1802.

Bernardus was born in Leeuwarden, Friesland.
Baptized on March 21, 1759 in Leeuwarden. He died in the year 1805
Father: Johannes Jelgerhuis
Mother: Grietie van Sippama
Special features: Bernardus van Jelgerhuis;
buys Sipmastate in Rijperkerk in 1805 and also lives there, sells (widow?)1807

The mark on knife
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The mark as shown by Elias Voet Jr. Merken van Friesche Goud-en zilversmeden published 1932
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The mark as shown by Elias Voet Jr. Merken van Friese Goud-en zilversmeden publised 1974
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NB. Gildebord van zilvergilde or silversmiths' guild board

https://www.friesmuseum.nl/collectie/ob ... smidsgilde
https://www.friesmuseum.nl/en/collectio ... smidsgilde


Could you please explain your attribution? I don't recognize any BI or eagle in the image of the master mark, thanks.



Peter.

Re: Dutch knife with soldiers, 18th century, maker?

Posted: Wed May 28, 2025 10:35 am
by Vantlicht
We see no representation of this form in that good old Voet of 1974. a master of whom only a stylized board version is known in Voet. So someone whose work was unknown. In my opinion, this mark most resembles B.J., where the flag of the J flutters emphatically over the letter combination.

Re: Dutch knife with soldiers, 18th century, maker?

Posted: Wed May 28, 2025 11:37 am
by oel
I don't think so, it's not plausible to me. The mark is BI in italics, not con-joined. If you see it as possible, you cannot attribute it, but at most mention it.
As you say yourself, you don't come across a Dutch silver knife handle with the image of soldiers, so perhaps not Dutch but Continental or with a fantasy mark​.

Peter.