Spanish Marks

[Alfonsus]

I would like help identifying two Spanish silversmith marks placed in two different ecclesiastical chamber sticks (palmatoria).
They are items from the mid-18th century, without city marks.

https://dc687.4shared.com/img/aa-M7wcok ... 0004251157

https://dc687.4shared.com/img/Z2jmXPR7k ... 6638211309

Thank you

[Alfonsus]

https://dc687.4shared.com/img/FKYHzhHvk ... 2525354758

https://dc687.4shared.com/img/ymy7YC3Rk ... 0296758074

[dognose]

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[Alfonsus]

Thank you dognose.
I'll try my best!

[Funkel]

This is the city mark of the Spanish city of Palma de Mallorca. Late 18th century.
Best regards.

Se trata de la marca de la ciudad española de Palma de Mallorca. Finales del XVIII.
Saludos.

[Alfonsus]

Gracias,
Thank you very much.
Is it common for only the city mark to appear without the silversmith's mark?
The mark on the other piece looks like an A surrounded by dots.
Could that also be a city mark?

[Funkel]

Hello, good afternoon. Until the 20th century, it was mandatory to mark pieces with three hallmarks: maker, assayer, and city. The problem is that many silversmiths didn't do so, either because they didn't pay taxes or because they didn't go to the assayer. Indeed, the MA mark surrounded by dots is also from Palma de Mallorca and predates the other one.
Regards

Hola buenas tardes. Hasta el siglo XX , era obligatorio marcar las piezas con tres punzones, autor, ensayador y ciudad. El problema esta en que muchos plateros no lo hacian, bien por no pagar impuestos o por no ir al ensayador. Efectivamente la marca MA rodeada de puntos, tambien es de Palma de Mallorca y es anterior a la otra.
Saludos

[Alfonsus]

Thank you very much once again.
I assume that both are city marks from Mallorca.
Can you be more specific about the dates?
I have tried unsuccessfully to find access to a Spanish marks catalogue online.
In Portugal, only the city assay mark and the silversmith's mark were used.
On pieces intended for the church, when there is only one mark, it is usually the silversmith's mark.