Anyone recognize this trademark on s/p inkwell set?

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Greetings:
I believe this is a Sheffield mark but I really do not know much about these things. Please take a look for me, thanks.
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Ugh, maybe this will work:


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Anyone recognize this trademark on s/p inkwell set?

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Greetings:

I'm stumped, Google AI doesn't help, maybe you recognize something about this trademark that will lead to its identity. I'm not even sure if it's English made.

Thanks so much for your help.

Regards, Cynthia

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Looks like mark #2 is a possible British Electroplater mark of Crown-in-Shield, with the crown useage outlawed by the latter 1890’s. That said, the second letter of mark #1 may be a “y” (underhung leg) which could point to a variant of John Yates without the added Sons. Israel Yudelman does not seem to use this form of the “Y”. It’s all just a bit of conjecture at this point, but you might look at these samples to see how they might mix and match component marks: https://www.silvercollection.it/electro ... WZtre.html

Not immediately seeing any American firms that would use this mark. More searching may be needed still.
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Hello, Traintime has set the identification ball rolling, but I want to send it in a different direction. On my first look at the mark I saw "SW" and the web site referenced by Traintime has a slightly clearer version of your set of marks, definitely with "SW" to go with a very similar crown mark. There is an attribution on that "silvercollection" web site to W & S WARD of Manchester with active at St. Mary Gate, Manchester (c.1858). This is much less info than is usually offered by that web site and probably means more information is needed. Obviously, Manchester was not the hot bed of plate manufacture that Sheffield and Birmingham were, but I think the mark is "SW" with a very small possibility of being "MS".

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Good match, “one who lacks an ocean catch”.🙈👨🏻‍🦯‍➡️🌋
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Hello again, I have trawled through a couple of Manchester directories with this catch though.

Directory of Manchester & Salford, 1853

............Ward Samuel & George, working jewellers, Byron's court, St. Mary's gate
................Ward George, working jeweller, (S. & G. Ward) ;
.........................Ward Samuel, jeweller, (S. & G. Ward),

Slater's Directory of Manchester and Salford, 1863

.............Ward Samuel & Samuel, silversmiths & working jewellers, watch markers and electro-platers, Byron's court, St.Mary's gate and 60 King St'
................Ward Samuel,jeweller ( S & S. Ward), Mount Pleasant, Urmston lane, Stretford
..............................Ward Samuel Jun. jeweller (S & S Ward)

This is likely the concern referred to in "silvercollection" but I would still be looking for stronger "line" for landing the attribution of the inkstand. We also of course have the retailer/maker problem.

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Fascinating and lots of useful information, at the least all concur it's from Great Britain. Thank all of you for taking the time to research it. BTW, The only item I found online so far which has the "SW" mark is a cocktail shaker mentioned on Reddit:

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