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Help Identifying Mark....

Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2025 12:46 pm
by nikka0202
Hello,
This mark was thought to be that of David Bessmann, Augsburg, Germany, mid 17th c. but it does not seem to match.
Any help or expertise is appreciated!
Kind Regards,
Victoria

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Re: Help Identifying Mark....

Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2025 1:44 am
by amena
I don't know about that mark, but the cutlery is gorgeous.
Congratulations
Amena

Re: Help Identifying Mark....

Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2025 1:47 am
by amena
Could you tell us the length of the cutlery?
Thanks
Amena

Re: Help Identifying Mark....

Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2025 9:41 pm
by nikka0202
Hi! It is lovely! I agree!
The knife is approx 8.5” ling and the fork is approx 12.5” long.
Thank you ,
Victoria

Re: Help Identifying Mark....

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2025 11:03 am
by Theoderich
nikka0202 wrote: Mon Jul 21, 2025 12:46 pm
This mark was thought to be that of David Bessmann, Augsburg, Germany, mid 17th c. but it does not seem to match.
Hi Victoria,
Who came up with that?

If you would like the best expert's answer to the hallmarks, please photograph the master's mark. There probably won't be much left to see, but please do your best. Perhaps fragments of the letters IES will be discernible.

Re: Help Identifying Mark....

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2025 3:11 pm
by nikka0202
Hello,
Thank you for your reply, please find the only other marks that I found.
I appreciate you taking a look!
Best,
Victoira


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Re: Help Identifying Mark....

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2025 4:28 pm
by nikka0202
Hi Amena,
I realize that I posted incorrect measurements (Apologies!).
The correct sizes are:
knife is 8.5"l, the fork 8"l

Thank you!
V

Re: Help Identifying Mark....

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2025 4:47 pm
by Theoderich
nikka0202 wrote: Wed Jul 23, 2025 3:11 pm Hello,
Thank you for your reply, please find the only other marks that I found.
I appreciate you taking a look!
Best,
Victoira
I can not see the images yet, but I will say You, what I know about this hallmark.


Your hallmark is double struck, but it is identical to this one.
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IES ... Johann Immanuel (Emmanuel) Schwarz, son of Johann Schwarz (goldsmith in Öhringen). As a citizen and goldsmith in Crailsheim, he married Maid Juliana Rosina Kühn on June 19, 1718.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crailsheim

Re: Help Identifying Mark....

Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2025 2:42 pm
by Theoderich
nikka0202 wrote: Wed Jul 23, 2025 3:11 pm Hello,
Thank you for your reply, please find the only other marks that I found.
I appreciate you taking a look!
Best,
Victoira

Are these two marks both on the fork? It's twice 13 for 13 lots (13/16 = 812,5/1000)

Re: Help Identifying Mark....

Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2025 12:11 pm
by nikka0202
Hello,
Yes, there are two marks.
Thank you again for the information!
Best,
Victoria