Art Nouveau

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Il Codirosso
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Art Nouveau

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Hello everyone!
I need your help identifying the maker of this small art nouveau plate. There are even a few marks on it, which, unfortunately, are not all clearly visible.
Could this be Bruckmann & Söhne - Heilbronn it?
Or maybe Berliner Metallwarenfabrik H.A Jürst & Co AG - Berlin - Adlershof?
And what does the small imprint on the on the upper side that looks like an oak leaf mean?
In addition, the surname BERNSTEIN is clearly engraved. Is that the name of the author (the specific silversmith of the company) of the plate?
Thanks in advance to all experts.
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Re: Art Nouveau

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Hello, would agree that this is a badly punched Bruckmann eagle. Bernstein would be the goldsmith/jeweller who finally sold this. Could be the court jeweller J. Bernstein from Bad Ems. The other mark is most likely an import mark of some sort. Does not ring a bell with me, sorry. Regards, Bahner
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Re: Art Nouveau

Post by Aguest »

:::::::: I thought it would be a French Import Mark for 800 silver just based on the overall shape style size but I couldn't find a match for it. ::::::::::::
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Thank you for your opinion.
There is quite a lot of general information about this company on the Internet. But there is a lack of information specifically about the marking of products. It would be nice if someone who was previously more interested in the marking of this company would respond.
Maybe someone also knows the year of manufacture? The plate is engraved with the obviously factory model number "82" (seen in the second photo).
Regards,
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Re: Art Nouveau

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In addition, another specific imprint or mark is a deep round dot below the hallmark.
This mark can also be found on other products of this company. What is its meaning?
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Oak leaf with acorn mark, used in Czechoslovakia  post -1949, so called old item mark for silver. Antique items of silver were given a special mark that, although it did not represent specific fineness, guaranteed that the item was assayed and in compliance with hallmark regulations.The old item hallmark would be accompanied by the actual number of the finess.
The old item mark was also used in Slovakia 1941-1949 but here for old or antique articles of silver that did not meet the minimum legal standard of 800, were stamped with the oak leaf and acorn mark. These silver items could range in assay from 500 to 799. NB. Czechoslovakia and Slovakia were occupied by Nazi Germany during 1939 to 1945.
Art Nouveau, or Jugendstil, is an art movement that flourished in various places in Europe between 1890 and 1914. Post-1949, your Art Nouveau silver plate wasn't truly antique; assayers make mistakes. I don't believe the silver content, after assay, was determined to be below 800 ; otherwise, you'd expect the oak leaf and acorn mark to have been stamped on the 800 mark,to make it invalid. My conclusion is that the antique mark is stamped in Czechoslovakia, I'm not completely sure, I could be wrong.

The so called dot, I believe to be a center punch, small indentation in a plate to capture the center of a round silver plate and secure it in the lathe to prevent it from wobble while turning.


Source; World Hallmarks Volume I Europe Hallmark Research Institute
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Re: Art Nouveau

Post by Il Codirosso »

Thanks everyone for the information. Very interesting.
I didn't even notice the Czech mark at the beginning, I thought it was just a defect.
Good luck!
Eugenijus
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