is this an HH curtis mark and what is it?

jcm · Post by **jcm** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:47 pm

Hi
Found this today,It is on a necklace(I am not sure it is suppose to be) but I'm not sure what it is.And the mark resembles H.H. curtis but I did not know they made jewelry. Anyway it is marked 925 over 1000 and the number 204 and this mark. any idea how old it is or who made it and what the heck is it anyway
It is about 3 inches x 3 inches
thanks

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Post by **dragonflywink** » Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:08 am

It's a belt or sash buckle and appears to bear the late 19th century Frank M. Whiting "griffon" mark.

~Cheryl
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jcm · Post by **jcm** » Thu Jun 05, 2008 4:58 pm

Thanks cheryl I think you are correct it does look like a w in a sheild with a griffen.However I also am trying to find a picture of this mark as it (or a similer) was used by whiting(a different company that sued frank m griffen over it) and the whiting one is the only one I can find.And the one on this sit shows the one used after 1896 (after the lawsuit)
can you or anyone help with that?
thanks again
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jcm · Post by **jcm** » Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:18 pm

also a search reveals that book sets were found that had several record books of the items produced and buckles and belts are listed in book 5C but no pictures of the book are shown just the listings of the items in each book.
I just thought to share that because another search revealed a listing stating that it was not known that they made jewelry or accesories besides flatware,holloware etc
and still looking for a picture of the logo before 1896
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Post by **admin** » Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:55 pm

Hi JCM,
Not everything is to be found on the web (not yet anyway), you might want to consider getting a copy of Rainwater's "Encyclopedia of American Silver Manufacturers" used copies are pretty inexpensive and it is a the standard reference for American silver manufacturers' marks and well worth having in your library. Click here for used copies -> Rainwater

Regards, Tom
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jcm · Post by **jcm** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:25 am

Thank You very much Tom, I have ordered the book.I was looking for just such a book but had not found one that fit the need.I believe this one will do nicely
Has anyone maybe got this book already to see or scan the pic?
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jcm · Post by **jcm** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:41 am

I found the pic and you are exactly right. The dots/lines under it give it a sure. Anyway Tom here you go a pic of the mark exactly from a cup from 1890 by Frank M Whiting out of an old catalog

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