Need help on a stein from 1879

texasuberalles · Post by **texasuberalles** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:52 pm

I’m asking help in identifying the manufacturer of a stein or tankard given as a gift to a military individual in 1879. I’ve reviewed the marks for British and American silverplate without success therefore the request for help. I assume it’s plated.

The inscription to a military individual being in English should narrow - I hope - the manufacturer to an English speaking country but that’s till a pretty wide universe including Australia, New Zealand, South Africa etc. since the British Empire was at it’s height at that time.

Possibly the style of decoration, handle shape and thumblift design will narrow the quest to someone with a trained eye.

Many thanks for your comments!

Dedication on Stein

Post by **admin** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 1:13 am

Think we'll need a larger image of the mark.
Thanks, Tom

texasuberalles · Post by **texasuberalles** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 8:43 am

I'll try again, I'm new to this.

texasuberalles · Post by **texasuberalles** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 8:47 am

Again

Post by **2209patrick** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:20 am

I enlarged and enhanced your picture some.

I think the letters PGS stand for "Plated German Silver". German silver is another name for nickel silver that was used before WWI.
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This is sort of a generic mark that was used by many companies, much like EPNS is used today.

The circle mark above might provide a clue to the manufacturer.
Are there any words or symbols in it?

Pat.

texasuberalles · Post by **texasuberalles** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 4:03 pm

Thanks for you help in enlarging the marks, I was unable to do so.

The marks posted, which you enlarged, are all there is except the inscription in the cartouche on the front which is in English. The mark over the other proofs is simply a circle or "O".

I'm hoping the thumblift will provide additional information or suggest a manufacterer or country. I collect German beer steins and the thumblift does NOT look 'German'.

Since I was unable to enlarge the cartouche inscription, here it is as well:
1st line 12th Corps
2nd line -S-R-V-
3rd line WON BY
4th line Private Wheeler
5th line 1879

Post by **admin** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 4:39 pm

Perhaps the SRV -> Surrey Rifle Volunteers

Perhaps the donor of the tankard -> Edward Cock

micadee0109 · Post by **micadee0109** » Thu Jan 01, 2009 11:43 pm

I'm thinking, too, that the circle is the key to the manufacturer. I'm researching this trademark at the moment and this is as close to mine as I've yet found. My mark is stamped on a silverplated domed bacon keeper and the only difference is the positioning of the O. The O on my bacon keeper is a few inches to the right of the [crown] [fleur de lis] [P] [G] [S], probably because the mark is stamped on a rim so narrow that there isn't room for the O above the rest of the mark.

I'm fairly convinced, also, that this is a British silverplate mark. Stamped at some distance from the trademark are the words 11 INCHES.