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Twin crests on Cork silver ladle

Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:54 am
by scorpio
Can anyone please assist in identifying the families represented in the twin crests shown below. The ladle was made in Cork circa 1770-75 and the crests may be later although there is no visual evidence on the ladle to suggest an erasure of a previous crest or initials so may be original either. Presumably twin crests indicate a marriage between two families.

A dexter arm, embowed, in armour, holding an arrow is mentioned for Viscount Ranelagh (Jones family name) and descendants and they were Irish peers but not in the Cork area and the arrow in that crest points down not up. Charles Jones became the Fourth Viscount in 1750 and one of his sons, Alexander Montgomery Jones, was a naval officer. Kinsale, just west of Cork, was the chief naval port for Ireland at that time but unfortunately, the name of the lady he married, is not shown. Given the direction the arrow is pointing though, it's likely not this family so whose could it be?

One of the Baker family crests is a naked dexter arm, embowed, holding an arrow but nothing about the arm being 'in armour'. I can't find an image of it and no Irish connection is mentioned although there were Bakers in the Cork area at the time.

The Lion crest totally defeats me.

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Re: Twin crests on Cork silver ladle

Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 6:40 pm
by kerangoumar
As stated, Ranelagh's crest is the conventional representation with the point of the arrow downward. This crest has the arrow in fessewise, which is highly unusual, perhaps outright odd - I don't have access to any of my books at the moment but I can't recall seeing one positioned like that. Anyone?

Re: Twin crests on Cork silver ladle

Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 9:39 pm
by Traintime
Get the feeling tha a raging lion is overcoming a faltering enemy? Brittania rules? Perhaps a gift to an old warrior or an inside joke for a shotgun marriage. An eagle defeating a lion was once used as a mark for an American china manufacturer to show the overcoming of British dominance in the trade. Humor has been around for a while, especially if you could afford the expense of a good joke.

Re: Twin crests on Cork silver ladle

Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 4:55 pm
by Traintime
Would it mean anything if the lion depiction was said to be a tiger? How bout a leopard?