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Makers Mark identification “S.M”, Japanese/Chinese?

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2018 4:01 am
by Peartree
Can anyone please help with the identification of this S.M makers mark? S.M was/were definitely active in the 1890’s and this mark appears on most Liberty & Co Japanese silver of this period that Liberty imported for their London store. Hence most likely it is a Japanese maker. However, some have identified it to a Chinese maker. All thoughts welcome. I should add it has nothing to do with Sampson Mordan, the english maker with similar mark.

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Re: Makers Mark identification “S.M”, Japanese/Chinese?

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 8:21 am
by dognose
Hi,

I too have seen this mark attributed to an undocumented Canton maker thought to have been working 1840-1880, the work described as "extraordinarily intricate high relief work incorporating partial parcel gilding."

To me though, it screams Japanese. I suppose there is always the possibility of a worker who worked in both countries, or a Chinese silversmith who learned his craft from a Japanese Master. Hopefully more information will come to light soon.

Whoever the maker was, it's a wonderful item.

Trev.

Re: Makers Mark identification “S.M”, Japanese/Chinese?

Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 1:54 pm
by Peartree
Thank you. I have another S.M mustard which is incredible and also stradles the two countries, though is ultimately very Japanese. Will post in due course.

Re: Makers Mark identification “S.M”, Japanese/Chinese?

Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:32 pm
by Peartree
Here is another S.M piece. Japanese or Chinese? I think Japanese for sure. Brilliantly conceived

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Re: Makers Mark identification “S.M”, Japanese/Chinese?

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 2:38 am
by zhaosu
I have seen a vase and a coffee pot bear this mark before. They were also engraved the engravers' names or alternative names, so that I believe the 'S.M' was for a Japanese export silver retail which is still unknown.

Re: Makers Mark identification “S.M”, Japanese/Chinese?

Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:42 am
by Peartree
Thank you

Re: Makers Mark identification “S.M”, Japanese/Chinese?

Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 5:39 am
by Adrien von Ferscht
Anthony et al

I am actually in the throes of writing an academic paper on the whole "S.M. Enigma". It sahould be published in about 2 weeks time. But the good news is I have finally unpicked all the threads and found the reality behind the mark,

I'm sorry I can't divulge it right here and now; the research has been ongoing on and off for over a year now. I also noted a while back you quote me on your website; hopefully you'll soon be able to update that considerably.

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Adrien von Ferscht

Re: Makers Mark identification “S.M”, Japanese/Chinese?

Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2018 4:46 pm
by Peartree
That is quite something, thank you. Please do let me know when and how I can obtain a copy of your article once it is published, thank you.

Re: Makers Mark identification “S.M”, Japanese/Chinese?

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:23 am
by Adrien von Ferscht
Article solving the S.M. mystery once and for all: http://chinese-export-silver.com.gridhosted.co.uk/DmccT

Re: Makers Mark identification “S.M”, Japanese/Chinese?

Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:35 pm
by dragonflywink
Very interesting article!

~Cheryl

Re: Makers Mark identification “S.M”, Japanese/Chinese?

Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 12:08 am
by Aguest
::: The article is amazing and the pair of vases is really incredible, this style of silver artistry is truly astounding in its level of detail :::