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Holmes & Edwards Other Mark Again??
Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:02 am
by Traintime
Re: Holmes & Edwards Other Mark Again??
Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:13 am
by Traintime
Sorry, should read "Ellsworth Statler"...tried to edit the entry preview, but like Fay Wray and King Kong I got caught in a cellular jam and had to back out.
Re: Holmes & Edwards Other Mark Again??
Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:54 am
by Traintime
Footnote: In 1907, the Jamestown Hotel Corporation also operated an "Inside Inn" within the grounds of the Jamestown Exposition. Amazingly, the manager from St. Louis three years prior was also in charge at this establishment. Nothing so far indicates that any furnishings were re-used, but those from 1904 were reportedly sold off with the closing of that establishment.
Re: Holmes & Edwards Other Mark Again??
Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 5:58 am
by Traintime
Gad Zukes! It gets worse..another Inside Inn at San Francisco PPIExpo in 1914-15.
Re: Holmes & Edwards Other Mark Again??
Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:33 am
by Traintime
Something good may have come of all this. In searching all these inns, Google brought forth new sources that had not surfaced in earlier attempts. In one, which included several photos and plans, the dining room made its' appearance. Further, Larry Paul was able to ferret out information indicating Onandaga Pottery/Syracuse China supplied the ceramics. Since Statler went with an established quality firm, it seems more likely that the silver was also provided by H&E (through ISCo), and we have seen the mark on this item used in commercial services before. Not a bankable conclusion, but at least a start.
Re: Holmes & Edwards Other Mark Again??
Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:27 pm
by Traintime
Re: Holmes & Edwards Other Mark Again??
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:16 am
by Traintime
Same pattern (??) carrying Holmes & Edwards mark (H. & E.) and produced for Hotel Alexandria of Los Angeles, possibly in this same era circa 1904-05:
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Re: Holmes & Edwards Other Mark Again??
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:45 pm
by Traintime
The last known "B.S. Co." pattern dates to 1903. [There is also a large gap for "Bridgeport Silver Company" before their final pattern in 1913.] Holmes & Edwards apparently introduced this "Knot Pattern" in 1909, leaving a six year gap to be explained. The simple answer seems to be that this was a H.&E./B.S. Co. pattern (circa 1902-4), perhaps only used for commercial clients, which was then released for public consumption at the later documented date. Until actual patent filings can be found, it remains a mystery.
Re: Holmes & Edwards Other Mark Again??
Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 1:24 am
by Traintime
This pattern surfaced again in a Worthpoint listing for the PIG'N WHISTLE restaurant chain (West Coast) but was improperly described as E & H Silver Company. These restaurants begin around 1908, and a later era soupspoon in the DOHRCO PANAMA A1 pattern is enough to reveal that Dohrmann Hotel Supply would have furnished the wares by then, if not from the very beginning. [The Knot pattern in this case may have been used with the Wood & Sons (England) china pattern identified on the Restaurant Ware Collectors Network (RWCN) in the idWiki section (still available online). None of this would be unusual for Dohrmann to provide.] P&G appears to have used both Gorham and International Silver hollowares in the 1920's era.
Re: Holmes & Edwards Other Mark Again??
Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 1:38 am
by Traintime
Re: Holmes & Edwards Other Mark Again??
Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2023 9:15 pm
by Traintime
Extra word references for knot patterns: Gordian Knot and Knotenmuster .