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Hi Forum,

I have recently purchased this silver cup/beaker (see below) which is still in transit. I am interested if anyone can offer an opinion if this piece appears to be genuine based on style, construction, marks, etc.

I found another cup that was offered at a German auction house with similar marks which they had attributed to Johann Jebenz (also pictured below).

Perhaps one unusual feature of my cup is that it appears to have a possible French bigorne mark underneath the rim of the foot?

Any information/feedback would be appreciated.








Images of the different cup with similar marks:




Description of the different cup with similar marks:
Jebenz, Johann. Augsburg.

Datierung: 1705-09.
Marke: BZ Augsburg 1705-09 (Seling Nr.1300), MZ Johann Jebenz (tätig um 1694-1737, ebd. Nr.1887), Tremolierstich.

The mark in the border would appear to be the trace of a bigorne.

Is there a French mark on the other side?
What mark?
It might help.
Best
Amena

Sorry, you don't have the item yet

Hi Amena, I will post images of any further marks as soon as it's available.

In the mean time, here is another post that mentions an Augsburg spoon c1730 with French import and bigorne marks
viewtopic.php?t=47939

Also I just found a similar mark in the reference book "Der goldschmiede Merkzeichen" by Marc Rosenberg.

He shows a maker mark with double "I I" with dots above, and if I am interpreting correctly, the mark is unattributed and listed under the section "Augsburg, erste hälfte 18 Jh." which should translate to "Augsburg, first half of 18th century".

I think the reference book is conveying that the maker mark was seen on pieces that were also marked with the Augsburg "Pyr" or pinecone mark #202 for which it gives a date of c1696-1705.

The becher has arrived so I can add some more photos.

The style of bigorne was used from 1838 onwards and while it's a really difficult spot to photograph, I think the mark opposite to the bigorne is a weevil mark.

















(Weevil marks pictured on lower right)
Reference from "Old French silver" by Joseph Cripps.